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Wow, there is an API. I was expecting a totally closed system. This may be a good third party application. Great info. Thanks.
I don't know if there is a third party app yet, but there will be.

There a github integration with Home Assistant, which is undoubtedly how most people are currently using the API. I have variable hourly electrical pricing and can easily choose under what price conditions I charge or stop charging.

The vehicle can also scold me if the price is really low but I'm home and unplugged. I could have Alexa scold me but I would become resentful.
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I could have Alexa scold me but I would become resentful.
Damnit Alexa, if you're so worried why don't you plug the damn thing in!
 

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The title is misleading, but I think his point is still valid. Most of us take for granted that we can stop at any number of gas stations on our way through our day and fill up without issue. This is possible for some with EVs, but not everyone in all areas. It still requires more planning and a bit of luck for it to be completely worry free. It will get there but it’s not there yet.
I agree, but anyone buying this vehicle at this point in time should have a 48amp charger. My house was built in 1949, and I spent a pretty penny upgrading the main panel to 200AMPs just so that i can run a 60amp dedicated charger line. Unsure why someone would buy this truck with only access to a 24 amp house line. Depending on your commute you might not even be able to charge up to your commuting mileage daily....
 

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If you're restricted to charging at 24amps.. what are you seeing, about 11miles added range for every hour plugged in?

If you're serious about keeping the Rivian (of having any EV) you should seriously consider investing in an upgrade to your home's electrical service. With more and more EV''s being sold every year.. the public charging network is going to be harder to access then it is even now.
 

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I agree, but anyone buying this vehicle at this point in time should have a 48amp charger. My house was built in 1949, and I spent a pretty penny upgrading the main panel to 200AMPs just so that i can run a 60amp dedicated charger line. Unsure why someone would buy this truck with only access to a 24 amp house line. Depending on your commute you might not even be able to charge up to your commuting mileage daily....
Average miles driven per day is about 35. The average driver should be able to keep an EV SOC above 50%. While twice as efficient, many Leaf drivers charged on the 120V they already had in the garage.
 

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Average miles driven per day is about 35. The average driver should be able to keep an EV SOC above 50%. While twice as efficient, many Leaf drivers charged on the 120V they already had in the garage.
1st gen leafs only had 24 kWh batteries. The battery in the Rivian is more than 5 times the size.
 

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This is the classic, what do you mean i have to use phone apps.

Every time i go on a road trip, there is one EA station where people have EVs and have no idea how to function on the current charging network.

This last time, the EA station i stop at had both 350kw pedestals down. Reported on plugshare for like 3 days, even shows down on the EA app. Lady pulls up, tries charging. Calls EA, nothing. Then complains that she needs the fast charger to charge to 100% because where she is going doesn't have any fast chargers.

I tell her about plugshare and how to check if a station is working. I also informed her that there are chargers along the route she claims has none. She had never heard of chargepoint.

With the current state of the charging network, if you don't know how to plan or refuse to plan, EVs are not for you.
 

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I agree, but anyone buying this vehicle at this point in time should have a 48amp charger. My house was built in 1949, and I spent a pretty penny upgrading the main panel to 200AMPs just so that i can run a 60amp dedicated charger line. Unsure why someone would buy this truck with only access to a 24 amp house line. Depending on your commute you might not even be able to charge up to your commuting mileage daily....
I agree with you. We all basically know what we are getting into right now with the state of charging networks in the US. I am renting right now so I will be at the mercy of a a regular 120v wall outlet and my local charging networks until I buy another place. Luckily I have a pretty predictable week and even just the 10-15 miles or so added in my apartment garage each night will more than cover my commute every day. There is a decent EA station in my town where I can "fill up" when needed. Lucky for me there is an A&W burger place next to it so I can also "fill up" my belly with cheeseburgers and root beer while waiting:handsinair:
 
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I agree, but anyone buying this vehicle at this point in time should have a 48amp charger. My house was built in 1949, and I spent a pretty penny upgrading the main panel to 200AMPs just so that i can run a 60amp dedicated charger line. Unsure why someone would buy this truck with only access to a 24 amp house line. Depending on your commute you might not even be able to charge up to your commuting mileage daily....
I agree. I plan on upgrading soon. I get 9 to 10 mph charging at home.
I do have that problem occasionally. On a heavy driving day, I can use more energy than the nightly charge can provide. But I have always caught back up. But it is more insidious than that. I have to set charge stop to 100% Thursday or even Wednesday so that I can take a trip on Saturday. Because I can't replace my commute and gain 30% Friday night. I have considered just setting it to 100% and leaving it. Might have saved me a lot of trouble Friday. I already set it to 85% all the time because 70% is not enough to handle even getting to work without charging every night.

With the current state of the charging network, if you don't know how to plan or refuse to plan, EVs are not for you.
Yes, it was a learning experience. I am learning how to plan. I learned that you have to check the Fn app every time, even if you know where every charger is. And you still can't trust it because it said 2 of the 3 broken chargers were fine. I also learned that it takes MONTHS for the chargers to get fixed. The system is even worse than I ever feared.

I did know what I was getting into. I am in no way disappointed in my Rivian, or my decision to become an electric car owner. That does not make last Friday suck any less. I also can't brag to my friends about all the money I will save in gas over the life of the vehicle.
 

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With the current state of the charging network, if you don't know how to plan or refuse to plan, EVs are not for you.
But new stations are popping up every day. I charged at this one yesterday in my Polestar. EVGo, and I have their P&C program set up, so it was just plug-in and the charge started automatically.

I'm not really sure if it was supposed to be active.

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I agree. I plan on upgrading soon. I get 9 to 10 mph charging at home.
I do have that problem occasionally. On a heavy driving day, I can use more energy than the nightly charge can provide. But I have always caught back up. But it is more insidious than that. I have to set charge stop to 100% Thursday or even Wednesday so that I can take a trip on Saturday. Because I can't replace my commute and gain 30% Friday night. I have considered just setting it to 100% and leaving it. Might have saved me a lot of trouble Friday. I already set it to 85% all the time because 70% is not enough to handle even getting to work without charging every night.


Yes, it was a learning experience. I am learning how to plan. I learned that you have to check the Fn app every time, even if you know where every charger is. And you still can't trust it because it said 2 of the 3 broken chargers were fine. I also learned that it takes MONTHS for the chargers to get fixed. The system is even worse than I ever feared.

I did know what I was getting into. I am in no way disappointed in my Rivian, or my decision to become an electric car owner. That does not make last Friday suck any less. I also can't brag to my friends about all the money I will save in gas over the life of the vehicle.
Glad you're getting a dedicated line put in. Unfortunately it took me 4 electrician quotes to get mine done as panels are generally seen as a "nuisance" to electricians given the work they take. I hope you have it easier than I did.
 

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I agree. I plan on upgrading soon. I get 9 to 10 mph charging at home.
I do have that problem occasionally. On a heavy driving day, I can use more energy than the nightly charge can provide. But I have always caught back up. But it is more insidious than that. I have to set charge stop to 100% Thursday or even Wednesday so that I can take a trip on Saturday. Because I can't replace my commute and gain 30% Friday night. I have considered just setting it to 100% and leaving it. Might have saved me a lot of trouble Friday. I already set it to 85% all the time because 70% is not enough to handle even getting to work without charging every night.


Yes, it was a learning experience. I am learning how to plan. I learned that you have to check the Fn app every time, even if you know where every charger is. And you still can't trust it because it said 2 of the 3 broken chargers were fine. I also learned that it takes MONTHS for the chargers to get fixed. The system is even worse than I ever feared.

I did know what I was getting into. I am in no way disappointed in my Rivian, or my decision to become an electric car owner. That does not make last Friday suck any less. I also can't brag to my friends about all the money I will save in gas over the life of the vehicle.
Your story gave ME anxiety. For my own sanity promise us all you will begin doing the following immediately:
1. Make sure you are plugged in at all times when home and set to at least 85% and to 100% if you think there is a possibility you will need to.
2. Download plugshare app and use it even when you think you don't need to. I also recommend ABRP app.
3. start the process of getting your panel upgraded and a hardwired EVSE "charger" that is 48A.

Your Rivian (or any EV) comes with tons of benefits lack of needing to plan accordingly is not one of them.
 
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2. Download plugshare app and use it even when you think you don't need to. I also recommend ABRP app.
I have not tried plugshare. I am using Chargepoint and the Rivian Nav. ABRP thinks the 3G chargers that got removed are still there. So it is at least 6 months out of date on that. Not sure I trust it. But it does do awesome route planning.
 

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I have not tried plugshare. I am using Chargepoint and the Rivian Nav. ABRP thinks the 3G chargers that got removed are still there. So it is at least 6 months out of date on that. Not sure I trust it. But it does do awesome route planning.
Definitely give Plugshare a try. The Rivian Nav is at best ok, but misses quite a few chargers. Plugshare gives you the most visibility to every charger no matter what network. And just about every one of them have user comments on charging sessions indicating which stations worked or didn't, but can be a few days old and require the user to actively add a review. The individual network apps are probably the most reliable for current status, but obviously limited to only their stations. I typically do Plugshare first, then cross check the company specific app once I locate which one I plan to go to.
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