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If one brake line leaks out, shouldn't he still have braking on 2 wheels? Still very scary.
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If one brake line leaks out, shouldn't he still have braking on 2 wheels? Still very scary.
All break lines will come back to a master cylinder that helps control and apply the break pressure. A break in the line drains a good portion of this fluid plus puts air in the line. Basically the master cylinder is useless. Generally you would have mechanical breaks, not that it would help much with such a heavy truck, but it would be something. The issue is that the ABS system triggers and starts trying to pump the break pedal for you to prevent lockups.

The short and sweet is that its a pressurized system suddenly without pressure. The E break thing that was pointed out is something great to remember in a situation like this. Plus the regen can still be used to slow the truck. So its not as bad as it could be.

Moral of the story I guess is to check that bracket.
 

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@Tmac what's your VIN? I have a 2022 32xx VIN with 44k miles and had that bracket come loose at 37k. I only noticed during a post off-road adventure wheel well spray-down, like shook loose by the bumpy road. I zip tied both sides and removed the opposite to get measurements to buy a temporary bolt until Rivian service could replace it a month later. After replacement, I kept the zip ties and tightened them. Fool me once, and all...

I smell a possible recall on this silly-ass undertorqued bolt.
I too had this happen! 45XX vin, Noticed a rattle on one side while on forest service road (benefits of EV off-roading). Had to use a temp screw until SC finally replaced with OEM...
 

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The E break thing that was pointed out is something great to remember in a situation like this.
I think I might practice using it a few times when the road behind me is clear. I am not sure my brain would tell me to use it in an emergent situation, though I might think about trying to throw it in park, so who knows.
 

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Don't forget that you also have the option of holding down the parking button for an emergency stop. I know it's hard to remember it when you've never had to use it before.

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Will that even work if the brake fluid is drained?
 

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Will that even work if the brake fluid is drained?
It does say "if the brakes don't work properly". I think it will engage the parking brake on the rear axle but I have yet to do this at all. If I were asked to implement it, it would be an all-hands-on-deck situation where every system is activated at once.
 

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If one brake line leaks out, shouldn't he still have braking on 2 wheels? Still very scary.

All break lines will come back to a master cylinder that helps control and apply the break pressure. A break in the line drains a good portion of this fluid plus puts air in the line. Basically the master cylinder is useless.
I haven't looked at the master cylinder of my R1T, but since the 1960's or earlier most automobile brake (not break) systems have employed dual reservoir master cylinders to prevent a rupture on any on brake line emptying the system of fluid thus still providing brakes to at least two wheels. In theory, if the left front brake hose ruptured, the right front and left rear brakes will still function in a "cross" style brake system.

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I haven't looked at the master cylinder of my R1T, but since the 1960's or earlier most automobile brake (not break) systems have employed dual reservoir master cylinders to prevent a rupture on any on brake line emptying the system of fluid thus still providing brakes to at least two wheels. In theory, if the left front brake hose ruptured, the right front and left rear brakes will still function in a "cross" style brake system.
Interesting. Guess I never paid that much attention when handling them. Rivian looks to be no different. An example can be looked at here https://www.ebay.com/itm/285773437334?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28. I can only assume there is a separator in the middle. I am guessing that the rear brakes were functioning then. But with the smaller calipers and such a heavy vehicle they probably have pretty limited stopping potential. Thank you for the correction.
 

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I haven't looked at the master cylinder of my R1T, but since the 1960's or earlier most automobile brake (not break) systems have employed dual reservoir master cylinders to prevent a rupture on any on brake line emptying the system of fluid thus still providing brakes to at least two wheels. In theory, if the left front brake hose ruptured, the right front and left rear brakes will still function in a "cross" style brake system.

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I used to build demolition derby cars and always removed the front calipers and cut the lines. The rear drums still worked fine. It was too easy to get the front wheels locked up by the calipers after all the side impacts.
 

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Interesting. Guess I never paid that much attention when handling them. Rivian looks to be no different. An example can be looked at here https://www.ebay.com/itm/285773437334?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28. I can only assume there is a separator in the middle. I am guessing that the rear brakes were functioning then. But with the smaller calipers and such a heavy vehicle they probably have pretty limited stopping potential. Thank you for the correction.
Usually its one diagonal pair - aka one front and the diagnonal opposite rear. So if one line was leaking, you would still get one front and one rear brake functional, just on opposite sides to minimize pulling to one side.
 

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Usually its one diagonal pair - aka one front and the diagnonal opposite rear. So if one line was leaking, you would still get one front and one rear brake functional, just on opposite sides to minimize pulling to one side.
Gotcha. I didn't notice a strong pull. Regardless it's good to know. Service center has the truck and the estimates seem to be rolling in. I'll update with findings as they come.
 

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Had tires on my R1S rotated at bout 8K miles. Nothing but normal driving, no off-road. Mechanic noticed grease on front left brake caliper - from axle boot split. Set up service appointment, Rivian replaced entire assembly under warranty as they were concerned about debris that may have entered through the tear.

1. Is the boot failure a chronic problem? Would be good information to have. Given the critical nature of tire rotation relative to tread life, I would think this would be obvious if it were a common issue.

2. I removed the covers on my 21" wheels, cleaned the grease, and did not put them back on. Looks better without them and have seen no measurable decrease in range.

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Had tires on my R1S rotated at bout 8K miles. Nothing but normal driving, no off-road. Mechanic noticed grease on front left brake caliper - from axle boot split. Set up service appointment, Rivian replaced entire assembly under warranty as they were concerned about debris that may have entered through the tear.

1. Is the boot failure a chronic problem? Would be good information to have. Given the critical nature of tire rotation relative to tread life, I would think this would be obvious if it were a common issue.

2. I removed the covers on my 21" wheels, cleaned the grease, and did not put them back on. Looks better without them and have seen no measurable decrease in range.
1. I can ask the Denver SC what they have seen. They have been pretty honest about what issues they see frequently.

2. Off topic a bit. But the factory tires have terrible life. Even with rotations. This is common for any manufacturer though. I have yokohama geolanders now and getting much better life out of them.

Also, if your gonna peak undet the truck might be worth checking that bolt to make sure the bracket stays in place.
 

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1. I can ask the Denver SC what they have seen. They have been pretty honest about what issues they see frequently.

2. Off topic a bit. But the factory tires have terrible life. Even with rotations. This is common for any manufacturer though. I have yokohama geolanders now and getting much better life out of them.

Also, if your gonna peak undet the truck might be worth checking that bolt to make sure the bracket stays in place.
It should not be an if you are going to peek under truck. Everyone should get in the habit of raising the suspension once in a while and crawling under their vehicle to check for loose bolts or damage.
 

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It should not be an if you are going to peek under truck. Everyone should get in the habit of raising the suspension once in a while and crawling under their vehicle to check for loose bolts or damage.
Agree. The consequence of failing to maintain your vehicle could be death.
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