Conserve mode on 2025 Tri-motor?

[sirna7]

Pay a little over 5% more with the same configurations to get a premium trim plus a whole motor? Um, of course!

I only regret putting in the extra cash at the beginning versus regretting it every time I drive and see another car with yellow calipers Gen 2 passing by.

It's a no-brainer if you want all the included features!

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[FranknStein]

This is exactly how the dual motor system works. The way he was talking made it sound like it works just the same way. Quick clarification though. Sport mode will likely still be required to get FULL power. You'll get more power when you step on it and the clutch engages. But not 100% like in sport mode.



It's not the front wheel drive that chews up tires. It's being in lowest suspension when in conserve. The tires don't sit flat on the ground in low suspension. They have a very slight tilt to the side so the tire is riding a bit on the edge of the tread. That is the big factor

Can't you use standard height in conserve mode? Then you wouldn't have to really worry about extra tire wear?

 

[Dark-Fx]

It's not the front wheel drive that chews up tires.

It is in my case. End up with a significantly higher amount of wheelspin if I'm putting around town in conserve.

 

[mpshizzle]

Can't you use standard height in conserve mode? Then you wouldn't have to really worry about extra tire wear?

I think you can?

 

[Jabbahop]

So is the thought that acceleration in ALL PURPOSE for the Tri will be the same (same front motor) or noticeably quicker than the dual?

 

[HaveBlue]

All purpose mode is accel/power limited. I think all of the Enduros are the same in that mode. 4.5s 0-60. The rear drive disconnects after acceleration and goes to automatic conserve unlike the original Bosch quad. Switching to sport unlocks full power in both the dual 3.5s and tri 3s, the tri will be quicker. It also doesn't switch to conserve (fwd) while in sport. It also switches back to all purpose at the next drive session. Awd can be locked in for longer in all purpose mode by turning off stability control.

I use the bigger battery more than sport mode but sport does bring a smile when I do.

 

[Carmelbythesea]

Never drive in conserve mode. Smoked my tires. All purpose with set ride height at middle. That’s the way to go. Also rotate my tires every 5k.

 

[Dre01SS]

I think you can?

You can. It'll default to low when you trigger Conserve but you can bump it up to standard. The camber is what kills the tires.

 

[mackgriggs]

Glad I read this thread....lots to think about. I have a gen1 quad r1t...I wonder what the 0-60 is in all purpose mode. Tried internet search and couldn't find it for the gen1 quad.

If its around 4.5seconds...its still plenty fast...definitely fast enough. My Model Y performance...only has 1 mode...so it can always go 3.5s (with enough SOC) 0-60. To get 3.0s 0-60 in my r1t gen 1, I have to specifically go to sport mode. Now....granted.....model s/x has this problem too. To get the "real" fastest acceleration you have to do launch mode.

Which....I'm always driving in AP. Sport mode is really just a party trick when I'm giving someone a test drive and want them to floor it.

I have a reservation for a gen2 quad...but...if the acceleration is going to be the same in AP than a gen2 dual max....I don't think I should bother. If its going to be 3.5s in AP, and then 2.5s in sport, that would be a slightly different story but if its 4.5s? Might as well go dual max. For me...I wouldn't even do the $5k performance upgrade...since really...just a party trick.

For me, makes the decision for the tri motor not about the speed boost...but only if you want a particular ascend interior...or if you were really planning on also getting the included upgrades ($6150 in included upgrades like audio, roof, darkout package, powered tonneau, etc). There would be little reason to get a dual max performance + some of those upgrades.....it would be the same price as the tri. Might as well get the tri then.

 

[beatle]

I have a reservation for a gen2 quad...but...if the acceleration is going to be the same in AP than a gen2 dual max....I don't think I should bother. If its going to be 3.5s in AP, and then 2.5s in sport, that would be a slightly different story but if its 4.5s? Might as well go dual max. For me...I wouldn't even do the $5k performance upgrade...since really...just a party trick.

As more people learn this, it will be a real problem for Rivian unless they make the power more accessible. A lot of people will be like you (and me) where sport mode is too much of a hassle to keep selecting every day and they opt for a base truck or something else altogether. Margins are much bigger on the higher trim models and they need that extra profit.

This is different than the launch mode / ludicrous+ mode in Teslas where it preheats the battery and lowers the front suspension for just an extra tenth. Daily driving the cars in ludicrous mode was still brutally, fast, but not the Rivian. Heck, on a quad you may lose 300-500 horsepower in the mode the truck defaults to!

 

[mackgriggs]

As more people learn this, it will be a real problem for Rivian unless they make the power more accessible. A lot of people will be like you (and me) where sport mode is too much of a hassle to keep selecting every day and they opt for a base truck or something else altogether. Margins are much bigger on the higher trim models and they need that extra profit.

This is different than the launch mode / ludicrous+ mode in Teslas where it preheats the battery and lowers the front suspension for just an extra tenth. Daily driving the cars in ludicrous mode was still brutally, fast, but not the Rivian. Heck, on a quad you may lose 300-500 horsepower in the mode the truck defaults to!

I think you are right for sure. I think you wrote somewhere else too that you also wish Rivian (or someone) would post the 0-60 times in AP mode for each version too. I'm sure Rivian wouldn't do it if its truly 4.5s 0-60 for all versions.....then more people would make the conclusion that the higher trims are just not worth it.

And correct me if I'm wrong....but on a tesla you can keep it on insane/ludicrous mode all the time and it won't reset...its just insane+/ludicrous+ that resets after 3 hours?

Posts here say Rivian forces a reset from sport mode on next drive mode due to EPA testing (epa uses default drive mode). Maybe thats not true if Tesla doesn't reset to standard from insane as a default and its just a choice made by Rivian to stay out of sport.

So many questions. Like...do you get full power with sport -> low as you do with sport -> lowest?

And unrelated...I always thought it was weird that they list tri-motor in conserve as 405miles rated...and dual motor max 420...but what about dual motor max in conserve mode? Or is that also 420...and its just that tri motor in conserve mode is essentially exactly how dual motor max performs (decoupling motors) and then the 405 is just due to city driving or inefficiencies added by the 3rd motor...

 

[beatle]

Yes, I was able to keep the car in ludicrous all the time since the amount of power available and the throttle mapping has nothing to do with efficiency. I only used ludicrous+ a few times as a party trick since it made the car pretty noisy and inefficient and it's not very good for the battery.

Rivian resets to AP mode, but only after a sleep (deep sleep?) which is a few hours.

@Electrified Outdoors already made the good point in this thread about Tesla using induction motor(s) in the rear.

I know Tesla chose a different route for their vehicles with the PM in the rear and then an induction unit in the front but their vehicles are all rear biased vs Rivian which prefer to use the front motors primarily. I wonder if Rivian considered using induction. Slightly lower efficiency but they can be turned on/off ....that's why Tesla likes them.

I believe the power/throttle mapping is identical in both low and lowest suspension settings. At least it feels that way to me.

Conserve mode isn't available in dual motor models, but conserve mode operates like AP mode in the lowest suspension setting. Perhaps Rivian needs to add conserve mode to the dual motor trucks to get around the resetting they're doing for AP mode. It may have something to do with how the trucks were tested though.

 

[Brenden]

How much of a process is involved in switching it into Sport mode?

 

[beatle]

Tap the drive mode icon at least once, then tap on sport mode, then tap the navigation/music icon at least once to go back to what you were doing. I say "at least once" because I frequently need to tap the icons more than once to bring up the selected app.

 

[HaveBlue]

I think you are right for sure. I think you wrote somewhere else too that you also wish Rivian (or someone) would post the 0-60 times in AP mode for each version too. I'm sure Rivian wouldn't do it if its truly 4.5s 0-60 for all versions.....then more people would make the conclusion that the higher trims are just not worth it.

And correct me if I'm wrong....but on a tesla you can keep it on insane/ludicrous mode all the time and it won't reset...its just insane+/ludicrous+ that resets after 3 hours?

Posts here say Rivian forces a reset from sport mode on next drive mode due to EPA testing (epa uses default drive mode). Maybe thats not true if Tesla doesn't reset to standard from insane as a default and its just a choice made by Rivian to stay out of sport.

So many questions. Like...do you get full power with sport -> low as you do with sport -> lowest?

And unrelated...I always thought it was weird that they list tri-motor in conserve as 405miles rated...and dual motor max 420...but what about dual motor max in conserve mode? Or is that also 420...and its just that tri motor in conserve mode is essentially exactly how dual motor max performs (decoupling motors) and then the 405 is just due to city driving or inefficiencies added by the 3rd motor...

There is no selectable conserve mode for the dual motor. It just does it for you when the extra motor isn't needed in all purpose.

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