Cybertruck didn't need to go ugly early - Autoevolution article

[Donald Stanfield]

I think the Cybertruck looks like a dumpster on wheels and I haven't been shy about that fact. I also cannot deny that a lot of people will still like it though. That's fine with me, good for you and I hope you like your truck. Who gives a shit what other people want to buy? This thread is pretty entertaining though.

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[ironpig]

There has been many amusing claims, like the one you've listed as well as the one about the new roadster with SpaceX package that can hover and accelerate shortly off the ground.

Who knows, if happens. But if it does, then what?

And Robotaxis, Battery swap stations, self driving etc etc etc. There is no defense for Elon's lying to his customers. It just sounds ridiculous.

Even though I LOATH Elon, I want Tesla to be a great American Company and I'm rooting for them to succeed.

The real issue is that the CyberTruck is a terrible product for Tesla and will be a giant waste of resources that could be better allocated towards a real pickup truck that fits in a garage, a Model 2, a non-Falcon Door large SUV etc etc etc.

 

[mkg3]

Sold all $tsla at $1050 pre split (trailing 15% stop loss). Then we went all maga.

Good for you. Of course it depends on what your cost basis was.

I have bought and sold $TSLA since their IPO and has done me right multiple times.

 

[mkg3]

If what happens? They make an ugly truck or they make an ugly truck that Tesla fans think they can drive into the ocean?

If 50 years from now there are amphibious or flying cars that doesn’t mean Musk was right. By then he will just be remembered as a really old liar with a million children and someone who purchased thousands of horses for all the women he sexually harassed.

Wow... You do know that stuff you write is online forever right?

Your distaste for Musk sounds personal and very aggressive in tone. Do you know him personally? Or is it the case that you've heard, read things online and news so it must be true???

 

[mkg3]

And Robotaxis, Battery swap stations, self driving etc etc etc. There is no defense for Elon's lying to his customers. It just sounds ridiculous.

Even though I LOATH Elon, I want Tesla to be a great American Company and I'm rooting for them to succeed.

The real issue is that the CyberTruck is a terrible product for Tesla and will be a giant waste of resources that could be better allocated towards a real pickup truck that fits in a garage, a Model 2, a non-Falcon Door large SUV etc etc etc.

We'll have to see in couple of years. If its a huge hit, then your views maybe misguided.

If it's a flop, then you may be right. Time will tell...

 

[mini2nut]

Watch my words. I predict the Cybertruck will be a disruptor in the 1/2 ton pickup truck segment. The wedge shaped futuristic design will be copied by others.

The general public will warm up to the unorthodox design and will flock to the truck.

Tesla wants to sell millions of copies so the MSRP will be critical to its success.

 

[ironpig]

We'll have to see in couple of years. If its a huge hit, then your views maybe misguided.

If it's a flop, then you may be right. Time will tell...

It will go down as the decision that halted Tesla's monumental rise and potential to be the most powerful auto manufacturer in the world. Hubris and juvenile obsession for fandom over customer engagement is Elon's downfall. Elon overcommitted resources to the CyberTruck just like he did with Twitter and now they are both massive expenditures that are not paying out. But more importantly, Tesla could have crushed rivals like Rivian with a pickup truck design that appealed to actual truck buyers instead of just Tesla fanboys.

 

[zipzag]

I do think even though stainless is more expensive not having the time/expense of what corrosion/paint prep/paint/finishing/polishing involves likely make the stainless body cheaper than a conventional steel/aluminum body painted like most cars on the road today. The huge castings for the chassis also are a major cost saving to manufacture although maybe not to repair in a collision scenario.
I’m no fan of the CT, and while I don’t see it being as expensive as the Model X I see no way they can sell it for $39990 with the promised specs they provided. It will likely be at least $50K and at that price will be missing some features like the 4 wheel steering etc. that some people are probably expecting. I am awaiting the CT forum meltdown when the actual prices/specs are released.

I agree. There seem to be a large number of deposit holders who can't really afford a $40K vehicle. So they just don't want to hear that a dual motor CT needs to be maybe $70K. I can't think of a reason that CT needs to undercut the Lightning or Rivian price

The complaining about price won't matter to Tesla. Tesla will still sell out the CT factory and make a decent margin on the vehicle.

I wonder what other freaky vehicles Tesla has planned.

 

[Count Orlok]

You also are allowed to like/appreciate what numerous companies are doing.

I completely agree. My comment was more aimed at people who can't stop themselves from excessively obsequious comments about how Qelon is such a genius who is disrupting an industry and the CT is something "real" truck users have been wanting (even though we have no specs on it and why it will appeal to traditional truck users). If there was any hard details on the CT we could have a reasonable discussion of its merits viz. other trucks in the market. Instead all we have are platitudes about what it might be.

 

[KWeimer711]

My apologies for making fun of Tesla’s “marketing fluff”. If you could point me towards some verified specs like weight, range, price, ACTUAL towing capacity, payload, length, width, safety ratings, seaworthiness, etc. I would be happy to mock those directly…. Until then I will continue to comment on the imaginary “fluff” that Space Karen tweets out.

Am assuming that with a 12/21 order date you missed all of the same with Rivian, as we all were eager for any official specs to be released. Didn’t make the R1T/S any less real and doesn’t make the CT less real.

 

[KWeimer711]

I completely agree. My comment was more aimed at people who can't stop themselves from excessively obsequious comments about how Qelon is such a genius who is disrupting an industry and the CT is something "real" truck users have been wanting (even though we have no specs on it and why it will appeal to traditional truck users). If there was any hard details on the CT we could have a reasonable discussion of its merits viz. other trucks in the market. Instead all we have are platitudes about what it might be.

But to be fair, Tesla (and to some degree,Elon) has indeed disrupted the automotive industry.

 

[Count Orlok]

But to be fair, Tesla (and to some degree,Elon) has indeed disrupted the automotive industry.

with the CT? it isn't even in the marketplace.

 

[COdogman]

Wow... You do know that stuff you write is online forever right?

Your distaste for Musk sounds personal and very aggressive in tone. Do you know him personally? Or is it the case that you've heard, read things online and news so it must be true???

Nice job attempting to change the subject. I could ask you the same thing: Do you KNOW him personally? Or is it the case that you believe what Elon says and does "online"?

If your comment is implying that anything I said is untrue, you should get more specific. Musk DID tweet that you could drive your CT in "seas that aren't to choppy", the Tesla website DOES say it can pull "near infinite mass" and SpaceX DID pay a Flight Attendant $250k to settle claims that Elon Musk exposed himself during a massage and offered her a horse if she would "do more". And that isn't the only such accusation against him.

Tesla defenders now love to try to separate Musk - the man they credit with the company's success - from all the things he says and does in real life. That worked for awhile, but now his behavior has gotten much worse and often overshadows any success he has achieved. Not that any Tesla Stans will ever admit it. Now you act like his comments *shouldn't* be taken seriously or that other people run Tesla and he has little to do with it. Which is it?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Nice job attempting to change the subject. I could ask you the same thing: Do you KNOW him personally? Or is it the case that you believe what Elon says and does "online"?

If your comment is implying that anything I said is untrue, you should get more specific. Musk DID tweet that you could drive your CT in "seas that aren't to choppy", the Tesla website DOES say it can pull "near infinite mass" and SpaceX DID pay a Flight Attendant $250k to settle claims that Elon Musk exposed himself during a massage and offered her a horse if she would "do more". And that isn't the only such accusation against him.

Tesla defenders now love to try to separate Musk - the man they credit with the company's success - from all the things he says and does in real life. That worked for awhile, but now his behavior has gotten much worse and often overshadows any success he has achieved. Not that any Tesla Stans will ever admit it. Now you act like his comments *shouldn't* be taken seriously or that other people run Tesla and he has little to do with it. Which is it?

Don't forget Elon also said it'd have sonar, but didn't elaborate. It'd be pretty cool if the cybertruck shipped with fishfinding equipment.

 

[zipzag]

Am assuming that with a 12/21 order date you missed all of the same with Rivian, as we all were eager for any official specs to be released. Didn’t make the R1T/S any less real and doesn’t make the CT less real.

We know 90% of what the Cybertruck is. We don't know how much Tesla has raised the price.

It's odd that some people want assert that there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding CT. Tesla's core technology is well defined.

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