Educating ourselves on Rivian's autonomous driving history, present, and future

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

Whoever solves self-driving will almost certainly sell a version to the rest of the world, perhaps not the whole package but then again maybe the whole package for a high price. They’ll effectively own the future in that case and make a true mint.

Therefore, I can see why Rivian would want to join the race, possibly with a unique approach that they think might pan out before others’.

In any case, Rivian licensing someone else’s full self driving is a good possibility, should that breakthrough happen. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear Rivians employ Tesla’s self driving software in 2030+ vehicles. Tesla is surely the odds on favorite to win this particular race, if it’s at all winnable that is.

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[Eric9610]

Whoever solves self-driving will almost certainly sell a version to the rest of the world, perhaps not the whole package but then again maybe the whole package for a high price. They’ll effectively own the future in that case and make a true mint.

Therefore, I can see why Rivian would want to join the race, possibly with a unique approach that they think might pan out before others’.

In any case, Rivian licensing someone else’s full self driving is a good possibility, should that breakthrough happen. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear Rivians employ Tesla’s self driving software in 2030+ vehicles. Tesla is surely the odds on favorite to win this particular race, if it’s at all winnable that is.

MB already solved it the current S class and E class in ICE and electric versions are the only level 3 fully autonomous approved consumer systems available for sale and use today. Requires a lot of lidar sensors. All the current systems from Tesla and others that don't use lidar will never achieve level 3 FSD. This is why Tesla is testing integration of lidar sensors.

How pissed are people who own Teslas going to be when they only have supervised FSD not Level 3 due to hardware. LOL. Wait for the lawsuits, the latest Tesla software added in the verbiage of supervised.

 

[Rivian_Hugh_III]

MB already solved it the current S class and E class in ICE and electric versions are the only level 3 fully autonomous approved consumer systems available for sale and use today. Requires a lot of lidar sensors. All the current systems from Tesla and others that don't use lidar will never achieve level 3 FSD. This is why Tesla is testing integration of lidar sensors.

How pissed are people who own Teslas going to be when they only have supervised FSD not Level 3 due to hardware. LOL. Wait for the lawsuits, the latest Tesla software added in the verbiage of supervised.

I figured Tesla went from LiDAR to vision-only precisely so they could license the system to everyone on earth. I don’t follow super closely; you’re saying Tesla is adding LiDAR Again? If I were to defend my conjecture I’d say the Lidar would be to help train the data brought in from cameras, with the goal of camera-only, but I’m really not sure. One way or another they’re definitely going for the gold ring.

 

[R1SFamilyGuy]

Rivian should MobileEye and force them out of the restrictions. Problem solved. You're all very welcome.

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[BlueNoles97]

Can Rivian turn the Mobile Eye camera into a dumb camera and not use the SOC and perception stack from Mobile Eye? If they can't then what is the point of the Nivida computer?

 

[allisgoodman]

I am curious why Rivian is not advertising the new MobbileEye system. It's an upgrade from previous gen after all.

 

[MrMusAddict]

I am curious why Rivian is not advertising the new MobbileEye system. It's an upgrade from previous gen after all.

They would have you believe Rivian is providing the features. Technically, they *are* advertising it by showcasing RAP+ (which is what the new MobilEye provides).

 

[zymolysis]

a double downward click activates Driver+

Incorrect - a double down click activates "Highway Assist" (which is one of the many features of Driver+). Driver+ is always active. A single down click activates ACC, which is available most of the time (perhaps not when a trailer is attached). Highway Assist is only available on certain mapped highways, and not in construction zones, etc.
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-features-are-included-in-rivian-driver

 

[Tangarg]

I value safety in a car a lot. I bought my R1S after Tesla as they claimed an impressive array of sensors (10 exterior cameras, 12 ultrasonic sensors, 5 radars) and I was somehow under the impression that they use this for the safety features.

Are you saying that in reality, Gen 1 vehicles are relying only on a single forward-facing camera for their driver assistance features? What are the sensors doing then exactly? Just providing a 360* view?

 

[MrMusAddict]

I value safety in a car a lot. I bought my R1S after Tesla as they claimed an impressive array of sensors (10 exterior cameras, 12 ultrasonic sensors, 5 radars) and I was somehow under the impression that they use this for the safety features.

Are you saying that in reality, Gen 1 vehicles are relying only on a single forward-facing camera for their driver assistance features? What are the sensors doing then exactly? Just providing a 360* view?

The forward facing camera AND the forward facing sensors are being used for driver assistance.

The 360° camera appears to only be used for the camera app in the vehicle, and gear guard.

The 360° sensors are only being used for parking proximity, blind spot monitoring, and presumably also gear guard.

 

[Tangarg]

The forward facing camera AND the forward facing sensors are being used for driver assistance.

The 360° camera appears to only be used for the camera app in the vehicle, and gear guard.

The 360° sensors are only being used for parking proximity, blind spot monitoring, and presumably also gear guard.

I really think that's deceiving marketing on their end. I am sure there are many others who felt that the whole suite of sensors and cameras were being used for driver's assist and not just gear guard which itself has a very unreliable detection.
Rivian should either switch to using the full hardware similar to their plan for gen 2 or provide a way to upgrade to new hardware for a fees.

We don't need to have the latest features for self driving from gen 2 but at least safety features and accident prevention ones should be there.

 

[MrMusAddict]

I really think that's deceiving marketing on their end. I am sure there are many others who felt that the whole suite of sensors and cameras were being used for driver's assist and not just gear guard which itself has a very unreliable detection.
Rivian should either switch to using the full hardware similar to their plan for gen 2 or provide a way to upgrade to new hardware for a fees.

We don't need to have the latest features for self driving from gen 2 but at least safety features and accident prevention ones should be there.

Yeah, Gen2 is compatible with (but not currently capable of):

• Front/Rear collision avoidance
• Evasive maneuver assist
• Accelerating to prevent cut-ins

I've not owned a Tesla, only heard stories of their accident avoidance. If these are features offered on the base Autopilot (even in a limited capacity), then yeah it's quite frustrating to know Gen1 won't be getting them.

We DO have front-collision avoidance at the very least, but that's not saying much since that's mandatory since 2022.

 

[Tangarg]

Yeah, Gen2 is compatible with (but not currently capable of):

• Front/Rear collision avoidance
• Evasive maneuver assist
• Accelerating to prevent cut-ins

I've not owned a Tesla, only heard stories of their accident avoidance. If these are features offered on the base Autopilot (even in a limited capacity), then yeah it's quite frustrating to know Gen1 won't be getting them.

We DO have front-collision avoidance at the very least, but that's not saying much since that's mandatory since 2022.

Yes, that's exactly what i perceived when i bought the gen 1 earlier. It is a perfect car for me and i don't want any fancy features from gen 2. But safety features are important from everyone. Thinking to start a petition for this.

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