Just reserved a Volvo EX30 for the wife

[MGA]

I am reluctant to buy any Chinese product, let alone a car. It is almost like Americans buying Nazi German cars in 1939, because they were not so bad or even good.

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[mabowden]

I'm not sure you are going to win the argument on reliability of chinese built EVs. I personally wouldn't want any first generation EV from any manufacturer having lived that nightmare.

Chinese built ones, especially, are not known to be reliable.

https://energy5.com/pros-and-cons-of-buying-a-chinese-electric-car

We're not comparing "Chinese EVs". Not the FAW Bestune Pony: https://www.chinapev.com/faw/bestun...led-on-shangshai-show-rival-hongguang-miniev/

That is a huge market, much bigger than even the US. With much more companies than the US. We're specifically comparing Volvo EVs. And for those of us with Polestar 2 exposure (I've been in a few), the quality seems to hit above Tesla in the US.

Even Tesla's quality in China is far higher than the US, although this is proportional to the car population in the respective country and not apples to apples, but still tells a story.
https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/tesla-made-in-china-cars-lead-market-quality/

 

[Dark-Fx]

I'm not sure you are going to win the argument on reliability of chinese built EVs. I personally wouldn't want any first generation EV from any manufacturer having lived that nightmare.

Chinese built ones, especially, are not known to be reliable.

https://energy5.com/pros-and-cons-of-buying-a-chinese-electric-car

Vehicles for the US market are not "Chinese electric cars" that the article talks of. I'm not sure you're going to win the argument based on the garbage produced in China meant for the poor people there to afford.

 

[SASSquatch]

Vehicles for the US market are not "Chinese electric cars" that the article talks of. I'm not sure you're going to win the argument based on the garbage produced in China meant for the poor people there to afford.

This is behind a paywall - so unfortunately you can't read the full article, but basically the Chinese Government has come down on Tesla for quality issues on their chinese made EVs.

American company building EVs in china.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinese-regulators-summon-tesla-on-quality-issues-11612788928

The point is, Chinese manufacturing, with the exception of Foxconn and Apple - which is a big exception, isn't known for quality and reliability.

 

[SASSquatch]

I am sure it hasn’t but to be fair neither has a Polestar or Volvo.

Polestar is not exactly a brand I would be waving around as an example of reliability. They have some objectively bad reliability scores.

The 2023 Polestar 2 has a predicted reliability score of 58 out of 100.

 

[SASSquatch]

We're not comparing "Chinese EVs". Not the FAW Bestune Pony: https://www.chinapev.com/faw/bestun...led-on-shangshai-show-rival-hongguang-miniev/

That is a huge market, much bigger than even the US. With much more companies than the US. We're specifically comparing Volvo EVs. And for those of us with Polestar 2 exposure (I've been in a few), the quality seems to hit above Tesla in the US.

Even Tesla's quality in China is far higher than the US, although this is proportional to the car population in the respective country and not apples to apples, but still tells a story.
https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/tesla-made-in-china-cars-lead-market-quality/

I'm not sure what you are comparing - I am saying that first generation vehicles - especially technically complicated vehicles like EVs - are already rolling the dice. Then you factor in that it is being built in China specifically because of the cost structure of cheap chinese materials and labor, and I am saying to you - I will pass.

But, to each his own. If anyone on this forum purchases one, I hope I am very wrong.

P.S. I was on here early warning early adopters of R1 that they were going to be beta testers and it was going to be painful for that first generation. I am pretty sure the forum has proven me correct - even if I didn't have personal experience with multiple first generation vehicles across OEMs.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Polestar is not exactly a brand I would be waving around as an example of reliability. They have some objectively bad reliability scores.

The 2023 Polestar 2 has a predicted reliability score of 58 out of 100.

Oh boy, now do Rivian!

 

[SASSquatch]

Oh boy, now do Rivian!

Wouldn't we all want to know!? There is not enough data - but predictions are that it will be bad.

Why? Because nearly all first generation vehicles - not even factoring in new OEMs - are bad.

 

[LevelHeaded]

I had a China-built 2018 XC60 and the build quality was top notch.

 

[Guy]

Polestar is not exactly a brand I would be waving around as an example of reliability. They have some objectively bad reliability scores.

The 2023 Polestar 2 has a predicted reliability score of 58 out of 100.

I wasn’t waving them around as reliable merely no reports of batteries falling out!

 

[SASSquatch]

I wasn’t waving them around as reliable merely no reports of batteries falling out!

Ok - fair enough. And the battery falling out example was more tongue-in-cheek then anything else.

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