Kitchen Cruiser (Camping Kitchen) on Kickstarter!

[docwhiz]

Doing the math on this is shocking. DCFC rates cost so much more than propane. Never would have guessed. The national average cost of 91000 btu of propane is $2.65. That converts to about 23kWh of usable power. Most public charging around here costs 40-60 cents per k, so it would cost about $11. Wow. I have super cheap home charging so that would be $1.20.

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[docwhiz]

Also false in many cases. There’s no DCFC near a lot of adventure and camping areas, and 12 hour charging is not at all convenient. One hour of grilling would cost about 60 cents at many Supercharger rates, but an hour of propane for the same energy is only 10 cents. You may camp where power is plentiful and cheap, I often don’t.

I hate liquid fuels and prefer electric. I also live in the real world where physics applies. I fill the propane about once a year with very little effort since it gets done while I stock the RV supplies.

But you have to drag the propane tank around and hope it doesn't leak on you.
Maths: 1 kWh of electricity costs $0.60 at some fast chargers, much less at most others and free with solar PV.
To do the same grilling with propane you would need about 4x the energy which would be 91,000 btu = 23 kWh so 4 kWh of propane would be $2.65/6 = $0.44 which is about the same cost but electricity is much more convenient.

 

[SwampNut]

But you have to drag the propane tank around

False again. The tank on the RV lives where RV tanks always live, all the time. It never gets dragged around. The one in the truck bed does get put there obviously.

and hope it doesn't leak on you.

That could be one of the dumbest things I'll read this week. They don't just go leak, it's ridiculously rare, as to be zero.

I find it hilarious that you can't even imagine a world where DCFC is a real challenge.

 

[SwampNut]

Solar PV is free

You keep making things up to support your limited world view. PV panels are not free.

 

[docwhiz]

False again. The tank on the RV lives where RV tanks always live, all the time. It never gets dragged around. The one in the truck bed does get put there obviously.



That could be one of the dumbest things I'll read this week. They don't just go leak, it's ridiculously rare, as to be zero.

I find it hilarious that you can't even imagine a world where DCFC is a real challenge.

I can't imagine a world where you think solar PV doesn't work and the only way to charge your batteries is DCFC.
DCFC is for "cannonball run" trips where you want to put on a lot of miles in a day.
Every other use case can be easily met with a simple plug in or solar PV.

 

[SwampNut]

LOL!!!! How much PV do you think it takes to give you any significant miles? How much will that cost you, and how long does it take to pay for itself?

DCFC is not at all compatible with canonball runs, it's slow as hell on a Rivian. The current adventure trip I'm planning will have us either using 12-hour charging, or an off-shoot to DCFC, or possibly generator time, don't know. There's no easy answer. We will have 400w PV which will do nothing really for range. It's just math, you should try it.

 

[docwhiz]

LOL!!!! How much PV do you think it takes to give you any significant miles? How much will that cost you, and how long does it take to pay for itself?

DCFC is not at all compatible with canonball runs, it's slow as hell on a Rivian. The current adventure trip I'm planning will have us either using 12-hour charging, or an off-shoot to DCFC, or possibly generator time, don't know. There's no easy answer. We will have 400w PV which will do nothing really for range. It's just math, you should try it.

I thought we were discussing camp kitchen with electricity vs propane.

 

[SwampNut]

Me too, so it made me wonder why you changed it to some crazy idea about a canonball run in an EV, but hey, you're pretty funny and I'm bored watching servers update here for a few hours. Camping off grid for days requires electricity and making things worse by using more then requires charging. But you knew that.

 

[docwhiz]

Me too, so it made me wonder why you changed it to some crazy idea about a canonball run in an EV, but hey, you're pretty funny and I'm bored watching servers update here for a few hours. Camping off grid for days requires electricity and making things worse by using more then requires charging. But you knew that.

You were complaining that DCFC was too expensive and too difficult. I agree but my point was that DCFC is irrelevant to camp cooking.
Camp cooking will use at most 5-10 kWh/day. Many days use for your big battery.
You can easily generate 5-10 kWh/day with solar PV and never need to visit a charger.

 

[SwampNut]

You can easily generate 5-10 kWh/day with solar PV and never need to visit a charger.

Dude, you really are hilarious. That would take around 2500w panels in the best case, which are huge, and costs a hell of a lot. Just to avoid hooking up a propane grill? Wow. Now we can go into how the truck has very limited wattage on the inverter, which requires a tiny grill, and will do a crappy job compared to a nicer-sized and much hotter-running propane grill.

Oh yeah, I've worked on monstrous solar panel installations, and math is fun...

Daily Energy Production Requirement = 10 kWh / 0.8 (efficiency loss) = 12.5 kWh

Assuming a derating factor of 85%, the solar panel capacity needed would be:

Solar Panel Capacity = 12.5 kWh / 5 hours = 2.5 kW

Considering the derating factor, the actual solar panel capacity would be:

Actual Solar Panel Capacity = 2.5 kW / 0.85 = 2.94 kW, so 3k.

This would cost well over $2k and cover several RVs. Hiiiiilarious.

 

[docwhiz]

Dude, you really are hilarious. That would take around 2500w panels in the best case, which are huge, and costs a hell of a lot. Just to avoid hooking up a propane grill? Wow. Now we can go into how the truck has very limited wattage on the inverter, which requires a tiny grill, and will do a crappy job compared to a nicer-sized and much hotter-running propane grill.

Oh yeah, I've worked on monstrous solar panel installations, and math is fun...

Daily Energy Production Requirement = 10 kWh / 0.8 (efficiency loss) = 12.5 kWh

Assuming a derating factor of 85%, the solar panel capacity needed would be:

Solar Panel Capacity = 12.5 kWh / 5 hours = 2.5 kW

Considering the derating factor, the actual solar panel capacity would be:

Actual Solar Panel Capacity = 2.5 kW / 0.85 = 2.94 kW, so 3k.

This would cost well over $2k and cover several RVs. Hiiiiilarious.

Impressive math but I think you're missing the point. You have a large battery in the car which could easily last 15 or 20 days with heavy use of the kitchen. A smaller solar array could easily extend that by many more days.
How many days are you planning on being off grid?

 

[SwampNut]

You've once again missed the point that I will have pretty much no charge to spare on a trip I'm planning, and it's not the only time I'll have power limits while way off grid.

 

[docwhiz]

You've once again missed the point that I will have pretty much no charge to spare on a trip I'm planning, and it's not the only time I'll have power limits while way off grid.

Good luck

 

[docwhiz]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1143992_rivian-camp-kitchen-with-a-grill-patent

The grill appears to be a downsized version of the standard cookout item, designed to fit into the Gear Tunnel and attach to the same shuttle mechanism used for the original version of the camp kitchen. Like that version, it's also powered by the R1T's battery pack.

 

[dmc94]

Interesting concept and the price isn't terrible considering the use case.

I see 2 cons that are applicable in this instance, since it is being discussed in a Rivian forum.

As stated in the first response, induction might be a better fit for an electric vehicle. I get it, it's for camping, so you're likely to have propane, but maybe have an induction option for those that dont want an open flame... Maybe that makes it too expensive?

Also, according to the marketing measurements it is 18" tall when packed up. While that is compact and great, it won't fit in an R1T with a tonneau cover, unless maybe the handle and feet are removable. But then it becomes less convenient... Unless I am mistaken, There is like 17" of clearance in a R1T bed with a tonneau. That's what I measured and got confirmation on from others, before I decided too order my cover. Maybe the R1T isn't the intended market?

Otherwise, pretty cool product. Hope it sells well! Looks like the kickstarter has done well.

The 18" height is the death of this product for me, besides the propane cooktop. iKamper had a box style cooktop for a while and they said it didn't sell at all. The Air Cruiser Concept is better executed, but again, 18" kills it IMO. The same reason why I won't by the ecoflow fridge with the ice maker. I really want it, but it doesn't fit under the Tonneau.

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