20" Inch New Tire: GoodYear ElectricDrive AT

[Juicy Goodburger]

Update: sent my truck to service for some door pocket repairs and recall notice for hardware in the rear suspension. Turns out my struts needed replaced so my Gen1 quad now rides in the newest gen2 suspension and man is it NICE!

while in service I got a Gen1 refresh R1S on 21” factory with new Perellies. I can say with confidence that the GY EDrive are as quiet as the factory 21” option. Currently at 2k miles.

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[racekarl]

Ok I only see one version of Territory AT on the GY site. Tire rack shows about four different tread patterns for the same tire. GY site does not have the 65 aspect ratio and the 60 is non 3PMSF or H speed rated or XL load index. Seems like a conflict of information.

"Territory AT" is Goodyear's blanket name for an entire line of tires they make as OE AT tires across a wide variety of vehicle makes. Each "Territory AT" tire is semi-custom to a particular vehicle (E.g. the RIV version was designed in collaboration with Rivian). Because these are tires made to be sold as original equipment with vehicles and because there are so many of them, GY likely does not see the value in showing separate photos and specs for each variant.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

After going back and forth between the Hankook Ions and the Goodyear, I ended up pulling the trigger on the Goodyear when I found a 25% off coupon directly from Goodyear - not affiliated, just used google. (TIREHUBSAVINGS) They ended up being $318/tire for the Goodyear vs $282 for the Hankook Ion HT - a much more palatable difference for a US owned and manufactured tire.

Background: I've worn on full sets of Goodyear Wranglers (OEM) on the Ford Lightning, Hankook Ion Evo (OEM) on the EV9, 21" Pirelli Scorpions (OEM) on the R1T, 22" Pirelli Scorpion Zero (OEM) on the R1T, and the 22" Pirelli Scorpion MS (OEM) on the R1T.

I see all 4 seasons in the NorthEast and drive everything from pothole filled city streets, dirt/gravel fire roads, multi-lane freeways, stop and go suburbia highways, and stretches of farm lined county roads. The tires are subject to carrying loads in the bed, 4 passengers in the car, towing a 30' trailer, stressed with plow duty in the winter, road trips, boring commuting, school pickups, and grocery runs.

While not exactly the same tires, and a completely different car, I juggled the high satisfaction I had on the EV9 Hankook Ions. They had good longevity, good dry performance, wet and winter performance were not great but completely acceptable vs...well I didn't like my Goodyear Wranglers at all on my Lightning. So why did I do it? I'm hoping it's just a different tire altogether. Prior to the Hankook Ions on the EV9, I hated the Hankook Dynapro2s on the Lightning. So perhaps this is a similar situation.

I'll update the post when I get past the initial thoughts phase and get several thousand miles on the tire.

Looks: I love when the truck is on 22s in a sport truck look. But if I was going to a 20, I wanted an AT/Off Road look which tilted me towards the Goodyear. It did not disappoint. While they are more aggressive, I love the way this filled out the wheel wells, and the visual chunkiness. There's a different kind of aggressiveness than the 22s and that isn't there at all with the 21s.

Noise: Subjectively. Even with the sound insulation, these tires were noticeably noisier than the 21s and the 22 Scorpion MS tires. They're on par with the 22 Scorpion Zeros but they're definitely the noisiest of all of them and it was immediately noticeable before I left the driveway.

Ride Feel: It made my Rivian feel like my Lightning, and that isn't a good or bad thing but different. My Lightning drove really well....for a truck. On 21s and 22s, my Rivian drives really well...for a car, truck, suv, anything. I love the way it drives. These tires numbed all of that feedback and my R1T drives more like a traditional truck now.

- The steering felt slow and sluggish, but that also means it was less twitchy on road grooves.
- You could no longer feel the road - which also means less vibrations.
- Curves were handled with less confidence, maybe it could handle them but it sure didn't make me want to try. Maybe that will make my tires last longer.
- The ride is cushy, soft, comfortable, dare I say...floaty. I love it on road trips, it's comfortable now, but I no longer think it's a fun or thrilling car to drive.

Without a doubt, I drive differently on these tires than on the 22s, and a lot of this is more due to being on 20" AS/ATs than 22" AS/Highway tires.

Wet Traction: Satisfied. In a thunderstorm there wasn't any noticeable slippage, hydro, or concerns that cropped up. But back to the above, these tires don't give me the itch to go faster.

Dry Traction: They're ok. I'll have to do a launch test but because of the driving feel, I definitely don't push these as hard into a corner as I do with my 22s or 21s.

Winter/Snow Traction: TBD - Placeholder.

Efficiency: I'm leaving this one TBD. FLASH judgement is that it seems to be similar to the 22" Pirelli Scorpion Zeros, but there's been far too many variables to come to a conclusion just yet. Over a couple thousand miles the efficiency is 2.01mi/kWh. For comparison, I had a 2.14mi/kWh efficiency on the 22" Pirelli Scorpion MS which is about a 6% difference. One thing to note is the 22s went through a winter, but they also went through some Conserve road trips. I haven't done either on the Goodyears yet.

Wear: TBD - Placeholder

Towing Performance: I've got about 1000 miles of towing on these now - 30' Travel Trailer (~7000lb) and they perform ok. Towing was more stable and confident on both the 22" Pirelli Scorpion MS, and the 21" Pirelli Scorpions at highway speeds, but it's completely acceptable on the Goodyear. It's still just as easy to forget there's a trailer back there, but the confidence levels are just higher on the 22s. The additional sidewall - and softer sidewall - made the truck ride extremely comfortably while towing. The most comfortable tire I've towed with so far. I was able to set the suspension on Firm/All Purpose/Standard Height without shattering any teeth.

Overall: I'll ride on these until March 2027 where if they still have tread I'll likely turn these into my Halloween to St Patrick day tires due to the 3Peak rating. My 22s have their own flaws, but I miss the efficiency and drive feel of the Pirelli Scorpion MS. I love the look but I don't do enough off roading to truly justify an AS/AT tire, but I can certainly justify using it in the winter due to the (theoretical) traction improvement.

 

[ORFynder]

After going back and forth between the Hankook Ions and the Goodyear, I ended up pulling the trigger on the Goodyear when I found a 25% off coupon directly from Goodyear - not affiliated, just used google. (TIREHUBSAVINGS) They ended up being $318/tire for the Goodyear vs $282 for the Hankook Ion HT - a much more palatable difference for a US owned and manufactured tire.

Background: I've worn on full sets of Goodyear Wranglers (OEM) on the Ford Lightning, Hankook Ion Evo (OEM) on the EV9, 21" Pirelli Scorpions (OEM) on the R1T, 22" Pirelli Scorpion Zero (OEM) on the R1T, and the 22" Pirelli Scorpion MS (OEM) on the R1T.

I see all 4 seasons in the NorthEast and drive everything from pothole filled city streets, dirt/gravel fire roads, multi-lane freeways, stop and go suburbia highways, and stretches of farm lined county roads. The tires are subject to carrying loads in the bed, 4 passengers in the car, towing a 30' trailer, stressed with plow duty in the winter, road trips, boring commuting, school pickups, and grocery runs.

While not exactly the same tires, and a completely different car, I juggled the high satisfaction I had on the EV9 Hankook Ions. They had good longevity, good dry performance, wet and winter performance were not great but completely acceptable vs...well I didn't like my Goodyear Wranglers at all on my Lightning. So why did I do it? I'm hoping it's just a different tire altogether. Prior to the Hankook Ions on the EV9, I hated the Hankook Dynapro2s on the Lightning. So perhaps this is a similar situation.

I'll update the post when I get past the initial thoughts phase and get several thousand miles on the tire.

Looks: I love when the truck is on 22s in a sport truck look. But if I was going to a 20, I wanted an AT/Off Road look which tilted me towards the Goodyear. It did not disappoint. While they are more aggressive, I love the way this filled out the wheel wells, and the visual chunkiness. There's a different kind of aggressiveness than the 22s and that isn't there at all with the 21s.

Noise: Subjectively. Even with the sound insulation, these tires were noticeably noisier than the 21s and the 22 Scorpion MS tires. They're on par with the 22 Scorpion Zeros but they're definitely the noisiest of all of them and it was immediately noticeable before I left the driveway.

Ride Feel: It made my Rivian feel like my Lightning, and that isn't a good or bad thing but different. My Lightning drove really well....for a truck. On 21s and 22s, my Rivian drives really well...for a car, truck, suv, anything. I love the way it drives. These tires numbed all of that feedback and my R1T drives more like a traditional truck now.

- The steering felt slow and sluggish, but that also means it was less twitchy on road grooves.
- You could no longer feel the road - which also means less vibrations.
- Curves were handled with less confidence, maybe it could handle them but it sure didn't make me want to try. Maybe that will make my tires last longer.
- The ride is cushy, soft, comfortable, dare I say...floaty. I love it on road trips, it's comfortable now, but I no longer think it's a fun or thrilling car to drive.

Without a doubt, I drive differently on these tires than on the 22s, and a lot of this is more due to being on 20" AS/ATs than 22" AS/Highway tires.

Wet Traction: Satisfied. In a thunderstorm there wasn't any noticeable slippage, hydro, or concerns that cropped up. But back to the above, these tires don't give me the itch to go faster.

Dry Traction: They're ok. I'll have to do a launch test but because of the driving feel, I definitely don't push these as hard into a corner as I do with my 22s or 21s.

Winter/Snow Traction: TBD - Placeholder.

Efficiency: I'm leaving this one TBD. FLASH judgement is that it seems to be similar to the 22" Pirelli Scorpion Zeros, but there's been far too many variables to come to a conclusion just yet. This would put my Gen1 Quad at approximately 300mi all purpose highway and roughly a 5% efficiency loss compared to the 22" Pirelli Scorpion MS.

Wear: TBD - Placeholder

Towing Performance: TBD - Placeholder.

Overall: I'll ride on these until March 2027 where if they still have tread I'll likely turn these into my Halloween to St Patrick day tires due to the 3Peak rating. My 22s have their own flaws, but I miss the efficiency and drive feel of the Pirelli Scorpion MS. I love the look but I don't do enough off roading to truly justify an AS/AT tire, but I can certainly justify using it in the winter due to the (theoretical) traction improvement.

Thanks for the sharing the coupon code as I just ordered a set. Its a great deal for that price

 

[Who-Dat]

Today I was checking the GoodYear website to see if the Territory AT is back in stock and noticed a new option:
https://www.goodyear.com/en_US/tires/wrangler-electricdrive-at/25328.html

It is available in two Rivain-compatible sizes:
275/60R20 116T
275/65R20 116H

They are 3PMSF rated and come with a 50k mile warranty. At $400 ea. they also cost quite a bit more than the Territory AT. The 50k warranty probably has something to do with that. The tread looks like a bit more of an offroad pattern compared to the Territory AT. Other than the GoodYear website I can't find any information or reviews online. Anyone here have any insights?

QUESTION: I need your knowledge and advice. I will be getting the Rivian R2 Premium, Which tire size should I buy to get the best range on the road 20" or 21" AS. I understand that the 21" are more expensive to replace vs the 20". What are your thoughts and suggestions everyone. NOTE: All my Driving will be highway.

 

[ksurfier]

QUESTION: I need your knowledge and advice. I will be getting the Rivian R2 Premium, Which tire size should I buy to get the best range on the road 20" or 21" AT. I understand that the 21" are more expensive to replace vs the 20". What are your thoughts and suggestions everyone.

Looking at ATs, you'd definitely want more sidewall so 20"...and since there aren't really any 21" options currently that would also point to getting the 20"s...another option is to get the 21" and then buy another set of 19/20" rims from a vendor (like Atomic)...

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

QUESTION: I need your knowledge and advice. I will be getting the Rivian R2 Premium, Which tire size should I buy to get the best range on the road 20" or 21" AT. I understand that the 21" are more expensive to replace vs the 20". What are your thoughts and suggestions everyone.

You want ATs but you also want best range? Given there are no ATs available (or any other non-factory AS alternatives) the answer is clearly 20". And with wheel size of 20" you are probably not going to find a tire that is more efficient than the factory BFG Trail Terrain T/A+... which isn't really a AT at all. It is just more "AT" than the Michelin Scorpion MS that is offered along side it, but note BFG itself does not call it or categorize it as a AT.

What 20" gives you, over the 21", is a lot more existing alternative tire options... when replacement is due, as well as more compliant ride due to taller sidewall and greater internal air volume, to cushion road shock.

Everything has trade-offs. The tire that gives you off-road capability without compromising range? it does not exist. To want more of either traits you have to be willing to sacrifice the other.

Bookmark this for reference: https://riviantrackr.com/rivian-tire-guide/

There are also multiple lengthy threads on which of these two wheel sizes to choose.

 

[Who-Dat]

BIG Thanks everyone. I should have said that I will got with the 20" AS which sounds like I will get better range since I will not be taking the car off roading.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

BIG Thanks everyone. I should have said that I will got with the 20" AS which sounds like I will get better range since I will not be taking the car off roading.

And note the two factory offerings for R2 Premium: Different wheel sizes with same overall diameter and brand/model of tire (Pirelli Scorpion MS). Same exact range estimate of 330 mi. Rolling resistance is the biggest factor in efficiency. The same reasons off-road capable tread design have more bite off-pavement, are the same reasons they are less efficient.

 

[RivianXpress]

I've been trying to follow the various threads so excuse me if my question has been answered. It's time to replace my original Pirellis on my R1T LE. I'm looking more for range than longevity and settled on the Goodyears but I see there is a Wrangler ElectricDriveAT and a Territory AT. I see the 50K warranty on the ElectricAT, any other differences? Is this a non aggressive tread? It says all Terrain and All Season for both of these...

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I've been trying to follow the various threads so excuse me if my question has been answered. It's time to replace my original Pirellis on my R1T LE. I'm looking more for range than longevity and settled on the Goodyears but I see there is a Wrangler ElectricDriveAT and a Territory AT. I see the 50K warranty on the ElectricAT, any other differences? Is this a non aggressive tread? It says all Terrain and All Season for both of these...

ElectricDrive is more expensive. It has foam inserts to dampen hum/noise. The Territory AT does not. Other than that, both are very mild ATs, more like AS/AT hybrids. And because of the foam inserts, patch repairs for punctures might not be feasible.

 

[RivianXpress]

ElectricDrive is more expensive. It has foam inserts to dampen hum/noise. The Territory AT does not. Other than that, both are very mild ATs, more like AS/AT hybrids. And because of the foam inserts, patch repairs for punctures might not be feasible.

Thank you!

 

[Yellow Buddy]

Rolling resistance is the biggest factor in efficiency.

This right here is the truth.

The tire itself matters than the size of the wheel.

If you look at the 22" wheel as an example. The way they were able to get increased range isn't all from the range wheel, but the tire selection - going from the Pirelli Scorpion Zero to the Pirelli Scorpion MS.

The Pirelli Scorpion Zero has a tread width (contact patch) of 8.6" vs the Pirelli Scorpion MS has a tread width of 7.8" or almost 9% less. That alone has a bigger impact than the aero covers on the wheels. When I changed from the Zeros to the Scorpions the onboard computer confirmed it and gave me an extra (13? or 16?) miles of range. I don't recall the exact number from the tire change but it was roughly a 5% increase in range.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

This right here is the truth.

The tire itself matters than the size of the wheel.

If you look at the 22" wheel as an example. The way they were able to get increased range isn't all from the range wheel, but the tire selection - going from the Pirelli Scorpion Zero to the Pirelli Scorpion MS.

The Pirelli Scorpion Zero has a tread width (contact patch) of 8.6" vs the Pirelli Scorpion MS has a tread width of 7.8" or almost 9% less. That alone has a bigger impact than the aero covers on the wheels. When I changed from the Zeros to the Scorpions the onboard computer confirmed it and gave me an extra (13? or 16?) miles of range. I don't recall the exact number from the tire change but it was roughly a 5% increase in range.

And the aero cover yields something tiny like less than 1 kWh over a few miles or something. Not much, but adds up eventually.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

And the aero cover yields something tiny like less than 1 kWh over a few miles or something. Not much, but adds up eventually.

I think it amounted to 1.2-1.5% it wasn't huge but something is always better than nothing.

Bringing it back to thread relevance.

I looked into the width of various AT tires before I purchased with these coming in as the least contact patch, which theoretically would mean better highway mileage at the trade off of less contact on the off road stuff.

- Goodyear Wrangler Electricdrive are 8.5" (AS/AT)
- Hankook HT are 8.7" (AS/Highway)
- Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus (OEM) are 9.1" (AT)
- Goodyear Wrangler Outbound AT are 9.4" (AT)
- Goodyear Wrangler Workhorse AT2 & Trailrunner AT are both 8.9" (AT)

There's obviously more at work. Tread depth, stickiness of the compound, tread pattern within that width, even block pattern affects aero. But IMO, the tread width/contact patch is an easy way to gauge when evaluating tires within the same category, or more loosely across categories.

As an example, so far my efficiency on the 20" 275/65/20 Goodyear Electricdrive AT (AS/AT) with a 8.5" tread width is on par (~1% less efficient) than the 275/50/22 Pirelli Scoprion Zero (AS/Highway) which has a tread width of 8.6"

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