Off-roading with 22" Range wheels on R1S Dual Standard?

[electruck4x4]

Looks like you had a great time despite the trail closures, @twraps ! Carnegie is a great place to dip your toes in the water. (Sometimes more literally than others, as shown below). It's also a pretty forgiving place to learn your truck's traction limits with the range of inclines and surfaces. Hollister is a good option to go from there once you start to get comfortable. It offers more challenging trails, a larger obstacle playground, and a large variety of options to learn the dynamics of the truck (driving off camber, slick rocks, etc.)

As folks mentioned above, swapping out the stock tires with a more aggressive tread will go a long way. That said, you may want to weigh that against the limitations to airing down and the higher risk of wheel damage because of the lower sidewall profile. I know a number of owners who took the 22" upgrade route before ultimately moving to 20's and never looking back. (I'm looking at you, @Thunderbolt Adventure )

You might also consider taking a buddy out with you next time. Generally the other drivers at the SVRAs are nice and helpful, but having a partner reduces the likelihood of you having to waive someone down or go for an unplanned walk.

Regardless of any of this, good for you for getting out there and off the pavement!

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[2kwik4u]

I'm late to the party, but I wanted to chime in. If for no other reason than to spur some conversation.

I went off roading with NERC back in April. It was a great time. I'm in a dual motor with factory 20in AT's on it. It did spectacularly on the trails. Drove over everything that the Quad/Tri guys did. With that said, so did the dual motor range wheel guys. They went everywhere the rest of the trucks were going. We had a single flat tire from a 22in sport wheel owner, but was able to quickly swap it out and carry on our day. Had one guy bend a tie rod, but with the groups connections he was back on the road a few days later for a couple hundred bucks.

Also......I might be biased, but I honestly think the dual motor is at least AS GOOD (if not better) offroader than the quad. There is more stall torque available from the duals than the quads. Then the "locker" can be emulated with torque vectoring. This means you don't have to dive so deep into the throttle to get the truck to move in precarious positions.

Watch this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WuEfb27TNnhzEJrr9

You can see that I have one wheel in the air, and one lightly loaded wheel in the opposite corner. I had it in "OffRoad" mode, and all the traction controls enabled. The truck "felt" like it was driving on dry pavement, just took a little more throttle, but otherwise I couldn't tell from the drivers seat (aside from the trucks general attitude in space) that I had a wheel off the ground.

 

[twraps]

@electruck4x4 Well I actually decided to go all in
I changed my stock Pirelli ZEROs to Pirelli XTM ATs (photos below) last weekend, and I am going to Yosemite tomorrow for a one week vacation and planning to go on the Shuteye Peak trail one of the days, which is rated Moderate to Difficult:
https://www.trailsoffroad.com/US/california/trails/2170-6s59-shuteye-peak?mapClickSource=map-listing

What's even better, after the Carnegie experience everyone in the family is on board and looking forward to the next one

PS If anyone wants to join for the Shuteye Peak trail pls DM me. We haven't decided which day to go yet, but our schedule is pretty flexible once we're at Yosemite. We'll be staying near Oakhurst.

 

[twraps]

I'm late to the party, but I wanted to chime in. If for no other reason than to spur some conversation.

I went off roading with NERC back in April. It was a great time. I'm in a dual motor with factory 20in AT's on it. It did spectacularly on the trails. Drove over everything that the Quad/Tri guys did. With that said, so did the dual motor range wheel guys. They went everywhere the rest of the trucks were going. We had a single flat tire from a 22in sport wheel owner, but was able to quickly swap it out and carry on our day. Had one guy bend a tie rod, but with the groups connections he was back on the road a few days later for a couple hundred bucks.

Also......I might be biased, but I honestly think the dual motor is at least AS GOOD (if not better) offroader than the quad. There is more stall torque available from the duals than the quads. Then the "locker" can be emulated with torque vectoring. This means you don't have to dive so deep into the throttle to get the truck to move in precarious positions.

Watch this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/WuEfb27TNnhzEJrr9

You can see that I have one wheel in the air, and one lightly loaded wheel in the opposite corner. I had it in "OffRoad" mode, and all the traction controls enabled. The truck "felt" like it was driving on dry pavement, just took a little more throttle, but otherwise I couldn't tell from the drivers seat (aside from the trucks general attitude in space) that I had a wheel off the ground.

Gen2 R1S Dual Standard here... happy to hear your story! I can't help but think though, that Quad would be advantageous for the added torque vectoring but I don't have the experience to back it up... so for the time being my wife's preventing me from throwing away another $100k on a Quad with the same old saying that it's not about the size but how you use it

 

[Thunderbolt Adventure]

Looks like you had a great time despite the trail closures, @twraps ! Carnegie is a great place to dip your toes in the water. (Sometimes more literally than others, as shown below). It's also a pretty forgiving place to learn your truck's traction limits with the range of inclines and surfaces. Hollister is a good option to go from there once you start to get comfortable. It offers more challenging trails, a larger obstacle playground, and a large variety of options to learn the dynamics of the truck (driving off camber, slick rocks, etc.)

As folks mentioned above, swapping out the stock tires with a more aggressive tread will go a long way. That said, you may want to weigh that against the limitations to airing down and the higher risk of wheel damage because of the lower sidewall profile. I know a number of owners who took the 22" upgrade route before ultimately moving to 20's and never looking back. (I'm looking at you, @Thunderbolt Adventure )

You might also consider taking a buddy out with you next time. Generally the other drivers at the SVRAs are nice and helpful, but having a partner reduces the likelihood of you having to waive someone down or go for an unplanned walk.

Regardless of any of this, good for you for getting out there and off the pavement!

Yup, we're pretty smitten with the 20's. Got some great wheels from @electruck4x4 and we're running Toyo's Open Country AT/EV tires.

 

[2kwik4u]

Yup, we're pretty smitten with the 20's. Got some great wheels from @electruck4x4 and we're running Toyo's Open Country AT/EV tires.

Seeing these pretty much has me convinced that the 275/60/20 is the size to go with. I like the look of the 65's I have now (Stock AT size), but don't think I would miss the 1/2in of ground clearance I'll lose as much as I'll like the efficiency I'll pickup. I'm in Buffalo, so I want to stick with the 3PMS rating though.

 

[2kwik4u]

Gen2 R1S Dual Standard here... happy to hear your story! I can't help but think though, that Quad would be advantageous for the added torque vectoring but I don't have the experience to back it up... so for the time being my wife's preventing me from throwing away another $100k on a Quad with the same old saying that it's not about the size but how you use it

I think the weird pedal feel from the reduced stall torque in the quads offsets the added torque vectoring. Likely still comes down to the driver.

The Quad R1S did the Rubicon trail with only a set of sliders. So did a Jeep Wrangler using only brake based torque vectoring. I'm not sure many of us here are experienced enough to really find the difference

 

[twraps]

I think the weird pedal feel from the reduced stall torque in the quads offsets the added torque vectoring. Likely still comes down to the driver.

The Quad R1S did the Rubicon trail with only a set of sliders. So did a Jeep Wrangler using only brake based torque vectoring. I'm not sure many of us here are experienced enough to really find the difference

I didn't know that about the Quad...any idea if the Tri-Motor has the same issue?

 

[2kwik4u]

I didn't know that about the Quad...any idea if the Tri-Motor has the same issue?

I suspect it's somewhere in between.

Don't think I would call it an issue, just requires a more "highly calibrated foot" when driving as it requires more input to get moving, then you have to immediately release to keep from rocketing forward. I haven't personally driven one, but have seen the issue manifest and be described by many online. TFLTruck and OutofSpec have both shown it online.

 

[usulio]

I suspect it's somewhere in between.

Don't think I would call it an issue, just requires a more "highly calibrated foot" when driving as it requires more input to get moving, then you have to immediately release to keep from rocketing forward. I haven't personally driven one, but have seen the issue manifest and be described by many online. TFLTruck and OutofSpec have both shown it online.

I've been working on my two pedal driving (hold the throttle in position and modulate the brake instead). It has potential, but not much skill acquired so far

 

[HaveBlue]

The tri has newer motors so probably better than the Bosch quad. They are all pretty capable. Out of spec Kyle turned off stability control on his new dual and it does better off road as it allows more wheel Spin while still using vectoring. All good for normal wheeling and can keep up on most trails but i have owned trucks with locking diffs and that is another level of capability.

 

[Shavaloo]

I would never take 22’s on anything harder than a well cared for fire road, and if I did, I would definitely not air them down at all. The benefit in traction from airing down a low profile tire like these 22’s is negligible if anything. Barely worth it with 20’s. Starts making sense with 18’s in these diameters. Risk of pinch flatting and rim damage completely outweighs any benefit. Land Rover has put out some info on this in the past and runs their Africa trips and off road classes on 20’s at full inflation. Only time it makes sense on low profile tires for a on a soft sandy beach.

 

[twraps]

I would never take 22’s on anything harder than a well cared for fire road

Why? Risk of sidewall/rim damage or I am missing something?
PS Notice I am no longer with the OEM tires... still 22" rims but Pirelli XTM AT tires:

 

[HaveBlue]

Yea those look awesome

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