Other EVs in 2023

[Max]

Happy New Year everyone.

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[Sgt Beavis]

If Rivian fails to deliver in 2022, I'll likely get a Silverado EV. I've got a Lightning order in but I'm probably going to cancel it next week. The only way I consider the Lightning is if the Lariat's pricing is lower than expected or if the range is much greater. I don't expect that to happen.

 

[cmiller]

Happy New Year everyone.

Can't wait to ring in the new year with all the drunks that can't handle their liquor. Thank God I have Ativan for them and restraints for when they become combative ?

 

[JeremyP]

The R1S is really my only consideration right now because of the 7 seats and room for all the road trip luggage, ability to tow our trailer, and off-road capability for 90% of our off pavement adventures (I wouldn't want to use a fancy new vehicle for the other 10%). I think it will be more than a couple years before similar competitors start shipping.

 

[Zach05855]

I am thinking about the Project Gravity, the Lucid SUV is coming to market in 2023 as a large, luxury electric crossover. The Gravity will be the second model from the electric startup, built on the same electric platform as the Lucid Air sedan, but with three rows of seating to accommodate up to seven passengers.

Or the Genesis GV90

 

[DaveA]

R1T for me, and wifey getting Fisker Ocean…

 

[McMoo]

Anyone considering Cadillac Lyriq, Nissan Ariya, toyota bz4x, Lexus RZ450e, Kia EV6, GV60, BMW IX, porsche macan ev, audi q6 e tron, ……..?

No. The EV6 is the only interesting one to me on that list.

 

[ads75]

Anyone considering Cadillac Lyriq, Nissan Ariya, toyota bz4x, Lexus RZ450e, Kia EV6, GV60, BMW IX, porsche macan ev, audi q6 e tron, ……..?

I have a reservation for a Debut Edition Cadillac Lyriq. The Lyriq should be at the dealer in Spring/Summer 2022, my R1T estimate is Oct-Dec 2022. I will only get one of them. I go back and forth on which one I'd rather have, given the MSRP difference is almost $20k. But with no new tax incentives, the difference is "only" $12k. Part of my decision may be in how close I think Rivian can be to the stated delivery dates, but I am in no rush for a new vehicle (currently have 2016 Acura RDX 116k miles and a stock 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2 door 25k miles). Part of me wonders if the Lyriq is too much like my Acura RDX, while functional and no mechanical problems, isn't fun to drive, and really seems like soccer mom type car, especially since I got the Jeep. I wonder if I get the Lyriq, will I still be happy with it in a year or two (I usually put >100k miles on my cars). I plan on keeping the Jeep, for now, but maybe I will trade it also since I won't need the 4wd with a R1T (and I have had awful Jeep dealer service recently, which led to having no radio for almost 4 months).

 

[Max]

I have a reservation for a Debut Edition Cadillac Lyriq. The Lyriq should be at the dealer in Spring/Summer 2022, my R1T estimate is Oct-Dec 2022. I will only get one of them. I go back and forth on which one I'd rather have, given the MSRP difference is almost $20k. But with no new tax incentives, the difference is "only" $12k. Part of my decision may be in how close I think Rivian can be to the stated delivery dates, but I am in no rush for a new vehicle (currently have 2016 Acura RDX 116k miles and a stock 2019 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2 door 25k miles). Part of me wonders if the Lyriq is too much like my Acura RDX, while functional and no mechanical problems, isn't fun to drive, and really seems like soccer mom type car, especially since I got the Jeep. I wonder if I get the Lyriq, will I still be happy with it in a year or two (I usually put >100k miles on my cars). I plan on keeping the Jeep, for now, but maybe I will trade it also since I won't need the 4wd with a R1T (and I have had awful Jeep dealer service recently, which led to having no radio for almost 4 months).

With R1T you may be able to have one vehicle that can do what both Jeep and Caddy will do for you. It may be a bit better in PA winters than 2WD caddy. The reason I didn’t reserve the Caddy is my R1S Explore after incentives were much closer in price. I have loved most of my GM cars and like the company and I doubt you will regret driving the Lyriq but you will have to keep the Jeep. With Rivian, you can simplify. I think it is ultimately a matter of how attached you are to the Jeep, the price difference and ICE less life if you get ride of Jeep.

How was the whole reservation process and GM communication? Wanna know if I reserve a Silverado, what I am in for. Ford seem to be a bit of a mess.

 

[Biturbowned]

If that Toyota EV truck is miraculously out in 2023, that gets my vote instead of the R1T. I don’t put any real faith in that happening though.

 

[ERguy]

I am really surprised by the number of people who basically fall into the "I will take the first electric pickup or SUV I can get my hands on" category as the engineering and technology that the Rivian vehicles contain and that other options currently lack (specifically the advanced suspension and four motor setup) are very important factors in my decision to go with the R1S.

It surprises you that other people have different priorities?

Some people want a truck with a decent sized bed that can haul larger equipment and tools around. The R1T has too small of a bed to be useful for a lot of people that currently utilize full size trucks.

Some people want a truck to drive to work and around town on paved roads... Not over boulders in the desert southwest. The 4 motors and high ground clearance are useless features for the vast majority of people who drive trucks... Although I do think they would allow for some fun adventures. Most people are buying a truck for transportation purposes... The adventure side of things is just an added bonus but not needed.

Some people want a truck with Car Play or Android Auto.

Some people want a truck with power up and down tailgate.

Some people want more interior room than the R1T.

Some people want a truck they can have repaired at any local dealership.

Some people want a truck that offers hands free driving.

There a multitude if features that Rivian offers that make it stand out, but there are other features including, but not limited to, the ones above that make people want other trucks. Everybody has different priorities.

Some of us like the idea of upgrading from our current ICE vehicles so much that any electric truck would be better than our current cars. We don't want to wait another 3-4 years to get our ideal Electric truck. We will take whatever we can get for now and just make a change later if other options come along we like better in a few years.

I fall firmly in the camp of people that have multiple electric truck reservations and will take whichever one comes first.

 

[Rob Stark]

The Model Y with 318 miles of range and just 2 motors currently costs ~$59k. I will be shocked if any real CT model is ever cheaper than that. If a quad motor or 500-mile version does ever see actual production, it’ll end up being $80k+ minimum.

I’m still not actually convinced the CT will ever be produced in large volumes. I think it’s a fantasy concept car.

Tesla has ordered Gigapresses to manufacture 300k CTs per year.

 

[Autolycus]

Tesla has ordered Gigapresses to manufacture 300k CTs per year.

Tesla also ordered a bunch of manufacturing robots for Elon’s “alien dreadnaught” that they ultimately couldn’t use because the idea was ridiculously stupid from the jump.

They’ll make some sort of truck, probably. I think it won’t look like the current concept, and it will not end up taking nearly the market share of 300k per year. It’s going to cost significantly more than they announced.

 

[Rob Stark]

Tesla also ordered a bunch of manufacturing robots for Elon’s “alien dreadnaught” that they ultimately couldn’t use because the idea was ridiculously stupid from the jump.

They’ll make some sort of truck, probably. I think it won’t look like the current concept, and it will not end up taking nearly the market share of 300k per year. It’s going to cost significantly more than they announced.

And Tesla is currently using every single robot purchased for Alien Dreadnaught and currently purchasing more. And ever increasing automation. The concept is not stupid and will eventually happen. Elon is almost always optimistic on timelines. But delivers eventually.

Tesla is at or close to manufacturing at a production rate of 1M cars per year. And people have said that the Model Y, X and 3 are ugly too.

Eventually CT will sell at least 600k units per year. Tesla will adjust to market demands if when it hits demand walls. It will look almost exactly like the prototype. That is what Tesla does. Even when all the "knowledgeable" people said falcon wing doors would never happen.

Inflation is back from the 70's. Everything is going up. Including Rivian prices. CTs will be priced competitively. Tesla is the big dog in BEV manufacturing with the lowest cost.

BTW Tribalism is the BEV fan community is retarded.

 

[Autolycus]

Elon is almost always optimistic on timelines. But delivers eventually.

meh…getting the timing right is just as important for predictions as the thing happening at all.

And people have said that the Model Y, X and 3 are ugly too.

The Model X and Y are a little bubble-y, but the Model 3 is a good looking car. The CT is absurd. It’s too big, it’s hideous, and it’s not particularly functional.

BTW Tribalism is the BEV fan community is retarded.
BTW Tribalism is the BEV fan community is retarded.

Agree completely. You do know it’s possible to think both good and bad things about a company, right? I believed the hype on the Model 3 being an affordable EV and on FSD. It was always bullcrap. Now I have a better perspective on where Tesla can succeed and where I think Elon’s just making crap up as he goes. CT sales at that level is a fantasy, just like a mass-market <$30k Model 3 was and just like a cross-country unassisted drive was.

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