Out Of Spec Max Pack vs Large Pack testing

[bike123.com]

Agreed. I think Out of Spec vlogger needs to fill the time up. This provides very little insight.

This just in?
Maybe old news?
I still beg the questions does the max’s added weight introduce some diminishing return and does the max eat up any space?
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...e-worth-the-extra-10000-after-all-226623.html

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[Chadasm]

I had hoped this would be a full range test, but I guess I should've read the title of the video more closely.

I'm one of those people who wants to be able to drive to the next city away, which is 250-300 miles in my case, at 70 mph with no charging stops. So I'm happy with my max pack decision, but I understand why a lot of people feel disappointed with what we ended up getting.

Honestly the max pack would make my trips to a bigger city nearby (Lubbock, TX) easier in the winter without having to worry about weather or not to charge during the trip. The large pack has been pushing it and leaves no room for detouring. It just feels like it’s not worth how much they’re charging for it. I don’t do it enough to warrant the upcharge though.

With that said, I really have no idea how much the R&D costs and what a reasonable charge would be for the different cell chemistry. There is definitely a price to be an early adopter.

 

[Supratachophobia]

This just in?
Maybe old news?
I still beg the questions does the max’s added weight introduce some diminishing return and does the max eat up any space?
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...e-worth-the-extra-10000-after-all-226623.html

There is no added weight! It's just a chemistry change. The extra electrons don't weigh anything.

 

[bike123.com]

There is no added weight! It's just a chemistry change. The extra electrons don't weigh anything.

That’s a miracle.
Only downside is money but that grows back. Now, what about lifespan….
When we used to hop up ice engines for racing we’d need to rebuild more often to keep their edge compared to a lower power lower compression type.

 

[SeaGeo]

This is a much better video on charging curve of max pack:



According to this video: from 10% state of charge, max pack accumulates 192 miles of more range 11 minutes faster than a large pack.

(As said earlier, 15 min of charging time is insufficient to determine anything)

The problem (other than not having his truck set to show kw...) Is he's going off rated miles. The max pack is rated to be more efficient, but both Rivian and the OOS video both say it's the same efficiency at highway speeds.

The 10% challenge isn't OOS's charge curve video, which I suspect we will see soon. It does highlight that the R1S vehicles would benefit from a higher charging rate (e.g. 300kw+) to be more competitive with range gained over ~15 minutes of charging. The max pack doesn't seem to solve that in any way.

I also don't blame him, but his battery size comparisons are wrong. There is a lot of inconsistent info out there though.

And his rated range values seem inconsistent... A max pack r1t is rated for 355 miles on ATs, and the dual motor is rated for 307 miles.

Redoing some work for him, if someone is benchmarking the two, based on highway range, the max pack would unplug at 75% vs 80% for the large pack.

That being said, those extra few miles may be very valuable for some situations.

 

[Aag12]

The problem (other than not having his truck set to show kw...) Is he's going off rated miles. The max pack is rated to be more efficient, but both Rivian and the OOS video both say it's the same efficiency at highway speeds.

The 10% challenge isn't OOS's charge curve video, which I suspect we will see soon. It does highlight that the R1S vehicles would benefit from a higher charging rate (e.g. 300kw+) to be more competitive with range gained over ~15 minutes of charging. The max pack doesn't seem to solve that in any way.

I also don't blame him, but his battery size comparisons are wrong. There is a lot of inconsistent info out there though.

That being said, those extra few miles may be very valuable for some situations.

Oos has stated on X that they are doing a full charge curve video and a full range test. Seems like they're putting it out over various videos!

 

[Supratachophobia]

That’s a miracle.
Only downside is money but that grows back. Now, what about lifespan….
When we used to hop up ice engines for racing we’d need to rebuild more often to keep their edge compared to a lower power lower compression type.

Oh for sure there will be increased degradation with the new chemistry. Maybe even lower charge cycles. No doubt about that.

 

[bike123.com]

We’re fine and dandy with 4 motor and large - soon enough someone will run with my idea for an auxiliary unit in the spare tire well for for a huge boost.

 

[DuoRivians]

The problem (other than not having his truck set to show kw...) Is he's going off rated miles. The max pack is rated to be more efficient, but both Rivian and the OOS video both say it's the same efficiency at highway speeds.

The 10% challenge isn't OOS's charge curve video, which I suspect we will see soon. It does highlight that the R1S vehicles would benefit from a higher charging rate (e.g. 300kw+) to be more competitive with range gained over ~15 minutes of charging. The max pack doesn't seem to solve that in any way.

I also don't blame him, but his battery size comparisons are wrong. There is a lot of inconsistent info out there though.

And his rated range values seem inconsistent... A max pack r1t is rated for 355 miles on ATs, and the dual motor is rated for 307 miles.

Redoing some work for him, if someone is benchmarking the two, based on highway range, the max pack would unplug at 75% vs 80% for the large pack.

That being said, those extra few miles may be very valuable for some situations.

My bigger point is that this specific OOS video was pretty much useless for uncovering unknown info. We knew from the EPA docs that the highway efficiency of the two batteries on same motors were about the same.

 

[Franksmartin]

Max pack still has a decent advantage on a road trip. You can cover over 100 more miles with a single charging stop.

 

[SeaGeo]

My bigger point is that this specific OOS video was pretty much useless for uncovering unknown info. We knew from the EPA docs that the highway efficiency of the two batteries on same motors were about the same.

Got it.

 

[SeaGeo]

Max pack still has a decent advantage on a road trip. You can cover over 100 more miles with a single charging stop.

Not really. More like 25 to 35 more miles than a dual motor large pack.

 

[Eric9610]

I think a lot of people are missing the point on the video, they completed the same trip with same miles and ended at same SOC 10% that is really concerning if you bought the max pack... you would expect that the larger capacity would have a variance yet the remaining SOC was the same. In reality the remaining % should have been like 2-5% more on max pac...

 

[R1TS]

Don't waste you time. A completely pointless 45 minute video that says next to nothing.

They ran a large pack side by side with a max pack. Were at a EA charger at 10% SOC on the batteries and charged them both for 15 minutes. Drove at 85 mph for 85 total miles to get back down to 10% SOC then compared some results like energy uptake during charging, consumption and efficiency. No great surprise everything was about the same. Really don't understand the point of this at all. Watch if you must but it really is 45 minutes of pointless talking.

OP sounds like he ordered a Max Pack even after everyone here begrudged about the marginal increase, and now is upset because there’s a pretty good video confirming the pointless Max Pack.

 

[Budman]

I don’t have a max pack, never thought it was a good value.

I apologize for my initial tone. But I still think it was a poor video. A test with little practicality showing an obvious out come. Could have been communicated in 4 minutes, not 45.

if you enjoyed the video I apologize again, but for me I find the time waste a bit maddening.

happy holidays.

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