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Price went up $8,150 for Gen2, am I missing something?

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I sometimes get carsick when my wife drives. She tends to completely pull off the accelerator when she wants to slow down. She doesn’t get that the braking starts even with a little bit of accelerator. You have to manage it just right to be smooth, but it can be done.
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I have a Gen1, R1S ready to pick up. It only has 2 options, All-Terrain Upgrade, and Standard+ (good for 280 mile range) for MSRP of $81,600.

If I configure a comparable Gen2, options include All-Terrain Upgrade, Large battery (also 280 mile range), BM + Dark Ashwood, mats, premium audio, camp speaker. I believe this equipment and spec matches exactly what I already have in the Gen1, but the cost is $89,750 for a difference of $8,150!

I know new model updates usually go up in price a little, but that's a 10% increase. Am I missing something?

I'm seriously asking. My wife, who rarely gets carsick, has gotten queazy on three test drives in the R1s. That's with me purposefully driving slowly and her in the front seat on the last one just to be safe. So I'm hoping the ride quality improvements on Gen2 would help here, but that's a hard price to swallow. Plus ordering this spec would forfeit my lowly 3% voucher since it wouldn't arrive until it expires, making the difference even larger. I don't mean to complain, just making sure I've got this straight before making a decision. I must have missed something.
I think your disappointed that the price is going up is that correct? If so then I would agree. I feel like this makes the vehicle feel more out of reach when the top of the line tri motor starts STARTS at $105k. I personally don't need 800hp but I would like access to the premium trim. But overall I think Rivian will struggle until they can get an affordable car out there (R2?). I think they've tapped the market of high earning off-road enthusiasts.
 

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I think your disappointed that the price is going up is that correct? If so then I would agree. I feel like this makes the vehicle feel more out of reach when the top of the line tri motor starts STARTS at $105k. I personally don't need 800hp but I would like access to the premium trim. But overall I think Rivian will struggle until they can get an affordable car out there (R2?). I think they've tapped the market of high earning off-road enthusiasts.
There is a huge market of people who have had a CT on order for years (and might still have years to wait) are hearing too many horror stories, and have a $100k budget for a “faster than 2.5 s 0-60”.
 

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And it has the same payload and curb weight as the max pack and same battery cells. Meaning it's a software locked max pack. On the other hand I expect that means it will charge faster than they are estimating but probably not any faster than a 2024 standard+

A 2024 Standard+ is a great deal for what you're getting.
All true, and didn't Rivian say that 80% of the upgrades offered on the 2025 models would be pushed with OTA's to current Gen 1 owners?
 

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There is a huge market of people who have had a CT on order for years (and might still have years to wait) are hearing too many horror stories, and have a $100k budget for a “faster than 2.5 s 0-60”.
Unfortunately I think most of the Cybertruck reservations were people expecting to pay $40K or $50K, not $100K. They will like wind up buying neither Cybertruck nor R1.
 

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I think your disappointed that the price is going up is that correct? If so then I would agree. I feel like this makes the vehicle feel more out of reach when the top of the line tri motor starts STARTS at $105k. I personally don't need 800hp but I would like access to the premium trim. But overall I think Rivian will struggle until they can get an affordable car out there (R2?). I think they've tapped the market of high earning off-road enthusiasts.
I agree. I just took lease delivery of an R1T DM Max a month ago. Received a great deal on lease terms plus Rivian discounting/throwing in some stuff. On price alone a similar 2025 configuration is ~$11K more and I am sure lease terms will be much more. Plus, really disappointed in selection of interior trims (I got Forest on my 2023 R1T). The only hit I took was the 22 inch bright wheels are now standard vs a $2500 charge. I also looked at Ford Lightnings which were discounted to the $60K-$70K range. Had the R1T been over $100K I definitely would not have gone Rivian. $100K is a psychological (& steep) barrier for most. I believe the big guys (Ford & Chevy) will continue to put price pressure on Rivian with their deeper pockets and attract more mainstream buyers, like me. And it doesn’t bother me about the improvements in the refresh for the $11K savings. I’ve lived through a lot of tech. My first car was a used Ford Fairlane with an aftermarket AC! In fact, when my lease is up I will be looking at all takers, not just Rivian. I understand Rivian is trying to dig out of losing money on every sale, but if Rivian wants truck market share, going up in price isn’t the answer Based on what I am seeing.
P.S. I am also still trying to adjust to the regen which I could see making someone car sick. However the overall ride of the Gen 1 R1T (not R1S) could be smoother but isn’t bad.
 

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The Rivian chassis engineers made HUGE changes to the 2025 R1S suspension. The rear end “porpoising“ when going over bumps has new been totally eliminated.
 
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Leasing Model 3 until R3X comes out, but now I have an R2 reservation as well.
There have been numerous updates to the Gen 2 R1s, including improved ride quality. Tom from the State of Charge and Batteries Included YouTube channels owns a Rivian and complained about the ride in the Gen 1, especially given the price. He says the Gen 2 is like going from a D (Gen 1) to a B (Gen 2). Not perfect, but much improved.

Many of the improvements have happened under the skin, with new motor and battery configurations, a new NVIDIA processor, new high resolution cameras , easier access to the battery for repairability, and some external changes, like the light bar, matrix headlights, and a new user interface.

The Gen 2 models are really more than a refresh. Rivian is on the right track with these.
 

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I have a Gen1, R1S ready to pick up. It only has 2 options, All-Terrain Upgrade, and Standard+ (good for 280 mile range) for MSRP of $81,600.

If I configure a comparable Gen2, options include All-Terrain Upgrade, Large battery (also 280 mile range), BM + Dark Ashwood, mats, premium audio, camp speaker. I believe this equipment and spec matches exactly what I already have in the Gen1, but the cost is $89,750 for a difference of $8,150!

I know new model updates usually go up in price a little, but that's a 10% increase. Am I missing something?

I'm seriously asking. My wife, who rarely gets carsick, has gotten queazy on three test drives in the R1s. That's with me purposefully driving slowly and her in the front seat on the last one just to be safe. So I'm hoping the ride quality improvements on Gen2 would help here, but that's a hard price to swallow. Plus ordering this spec would forfeit my lowly 3% voucher since it wouldn't arrive until it expires, making the difference even larger. I don't mean to complain, just making sure I've got this straight before making a decision. I must have missed something.
If your wife rarely gets carsick it seems unusual that she would have issues in the front seat of the Rivian unless there’s something going on with your settings or your driving style. I’ve had puking kids in multiple vehicles but never a Rivian and we have 3.

On the soft suspension setting the vehicle will roll a bit in turns but certainly less than a Jeep Wrangler or any other other comparable high clearance vehicle and if you set it to moderate (or firm) it will roll relatively little.
 

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There have been numerous updates to the Gen 2 R1s, including improved ride quality. Tom from the State of Charge and Batteries Included YouTube channels owns a Rivian and complained about the ride in the Gen 1, especially given the price. He says the Gen 2 is like going from a D (Gen 1) to a B (Gen 2). Not perfect, but much improved.

Many of the improvements have happened under the skin, with new motor and battery configurations, a new NVIDIA processor, new high resolution cameras , easier access to the battery for repairability, and some external changes, like the light bar, matrix headlights, and a new user interface.

The Gen 2 models are really more than a refresh. Rivian is on the right track with these.
Well they also changed a lot of things that create confusion between gen 1 and 2. Like “large” now means 19.5 kwh less than before. And the “autonomy platform” or whatever sounds like a way to price their safety features in a subscription format. So it’s kind of a mixed bag to me. Suspension was mostly fine except for very specific situations and off-road everything was above average. It’s not like they added locking differentials or launched with better autonomous driving features. Like Tesla it is mainly vaporware in the form of hardware upgrades that may or may not be useful depending on how they commit resources.
 

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I have a Gen1, R1S ready to pick up. It only has 2 options, All-Terrain Upgrade, and Standard+ (good for 280 mile range) for MSRP of $81,600.

If I configure a comparable Gen2, options include All-Terrain Upgrade, Large battery (also 280 mile range), BM + Dark Ashwood, mats, premium audio, camp speaker. I believe this equipment and spec matches exactly what I already have in the Gen1, but the cost is $89,750 for a difference of $8,150!

I know new model updates usually go up in price a little, but that's a 10% increase. Am I missing something?

I'm seriously asking. My wife, who rarely gets carsick, has gotten queazy on three test drives in the R1s. That's with me purposefully driving slowly and her in the front seat on the last one just to be safe. So I'm hoping the ride quality improvements on Gen2 would help here, but that's a hard price to swallow. Plus ordering this spec would forfeit my lowly 3% voucher since it wouldn't arrive until it expires, making the difference even larger. I don't mean to complain, just making sure I've got this straight before making a decision. I must have missed something.
If I was in your boat and 8k is getting out of reach I'd downgrade and get the 2025. Are you really going to wheel a 80-90k suv? Cut the all terrain and go dual motor maybe. If you really want the same specs then getting a 2024 with a short lease would make sense as by that time R2s will be out and there will be lower pricing likely on the newer R1 v2. Side note, I got queasy the first month of owning my R1S (march2023) as you drive more you not only get used to.it but get more experienced at throttle control. Still issues with driver+ when it can't track a lane it sways and doesn't feel comfortable and in stop go traffic it's not the smoothest
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