R1S Owners Guide Manual Available! ? (August 22, 2022)

[DJG]

Not true. Modern HUDs work with polarized sunglasses. Lincoln was the first to introduce, I believe.

Don't know the definition of modern, but my 2019 eTron does not.

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[sub]

The disappointment some people are feeling is 100% Rivian's fault. Not because any/all of these things needed to be included, but because Rivian withheld these details longer than what was reasonable or necessary.

Rivian claims that the design was complete long ago and that if not for the pandemic, they would have been selling trucks long ago. They also claimed that the first production vehicles were delivered last year. If any of that is true, they could have and should have shared all of these details long ago. And if they are lying, well that is not acceptable behavior either.

Saying go buy something else is not helpful when the opportunities to do so may have long since come and gone.

 

[DJG]

It was an example. We're talking about a $80-100k, 300 mile range, 7 seat electric, SUV. Something that literally has never existed before. And we're concerned that there are bottle holders, but not cupholders, in the third row.

The culture on this forum of constantly expecting more and more is ridiculous.

I agree with this sentiment. Every feature that is apparently lacking is argued in a vacuum, but nobody steps back and assesses what all they are getting/not getting for the price. It's true that there are features that are not in Rivians that are included in a vehicle half the price, but that is a flawed argument because you're not buying that one feature.

For example, Porsche charges an additional $60/mo for it's suite of driver assistance features, on top of a Taycan already costing $100k+, when a Nissan Altima has it for "free".

Now, certainly everyone values different features to a varying degree, but it's a poor position to be arguing that a vehicle that is already being sold at a significant loss should have numerous more features without an increase in cost.

However, if the argument is that it should both have more features and accordingly cost more, well that's a fair debate.

 

[Perry24r]

Problem with these forums is just like politics. People basically become fanboys and any criticism no matter how big or small is responded to like it was a personal attack.

Yes fair expectation that the R1S have basics that my Palisade has like a push button to open the rear, and buttons in the back (like pre production) to raise/lower at minimum the 3rd row seats, the ability to control air and heat from the 2nd row, etc.

Will I still purchase? Yeah.
Is that an inconvenient disappointment though? Uh sure is when you look at the price of a fully loaded Palisade.

 

[mkg3]

It seems that I'm one of the very, very few that remembers that R1S is just a vehicle.

From my perspective, the top priorities that I am looking for are:
1) Driving dynamics and drivability (i.e., is it fun to drive and responsive)
2) Safety conscience design and implementation
3) Sufficient range (~300 miles) in a single charge - because real world range will be 20~30% less
4) Is it the right size (not too big or not too small)
5) Low maintenance and operating cost (minimal inconvenience and recurring costs)
6) Not have to buy through a greedy dealer

ALL other things are nicety and convenience, and nothing more. @SoCal Rob is right in that one would expect most of what you'd find in a comparable vehicles in the price range, but if it doesn't, it doesn't. I'm sure R1S will have features that others in the price range do not so its a matter of do you like the feature set or not. If not, then its not the right choice for you.

My thoughts on cup holders and bottle holders are that they collect dust and dirt. They are hard clean. I remember when cars didn't come with cup holders but all cars did come with a cigarette lighter and ashtrays.... I've seen accessories that fits in a bottle holder that adds two cup holders - perhaps something like that will work for those that seek for the 3rd row.

Two zone climate control in a small volume (any passenger vehicle) seems just fine to me. If the passengers want more air than you do, just point your vent up and away from you towards the back. When cold, rear seat heaters are more effective, I believe, than having a different climate zone. Besides, heaters eat up more energy than AC or heated seats on EVs so keep that in mind.

My biggest disappointment about the manual is that its a flat PDF file and not an interactive app. As for the R1S, its hard to start nit picking until we actually have a vehicle to touch and feel so that we all have the same reference point to compare things to.

 

[junkanoo]

Certainly, I wanted the 5 passenger model R1S from the get-go. But, I understand the change, if the change truly means that they can simplify their supply chain and build the vehicle faster.

However, if this truly represents the final version, I'm at a loss why they chose to make the third seat armrests fixed rather than an armrest that folds in the vehicle like the seats. And the chrome or chrome-like edge to the armrest ... how is that a good idea on a so-called adventure vehicle?

Here is the R1S

Here is a 2020 Land Rover Discovery ...

After golf, I dump in my folded golf cart along with golf clubs and don't have to worry about damaging my Accura RDX. Now, not only am I losing effective room, I'm either buying/making protection around the two armrests and/or a cover. And why? With a new company I want them to build on the good ideas of others, not regress.

So ... to sum it up, we got seven seats, seemingly lost the ability to have a full-sized spare and lost the ability to add battery space/capacity. And we gained fixed armrests for the third row seats.

Craptastic.

 

[SoCal Rob]

The disappointment some people are feeling is 100% Rivian's fault. Not because any/all of these things needed to be included, but because Rivian withheld these details longer than what was reasonable or necessary.

Rivian claims that the design was complete long ago and that and that and that if not for the pandemic, they would have been started selling trucks long ago. They also claimed that the first production vehicles were delivered last year. If any of that is true, they could have and should have shared all of these details long ago. And if they are lying, well that is not acceptable behavior either.

Saying go buy something else is not helpful when the opportunities to do so may have long since come and gone.

To be fair, I’ll accept some of the blame because in some cases it was a lack of information from Rivian plus an assumption on my part that the missing detail would be class-competitive. Honestly, with the rear climate touchscreen shown, I thought I was reading the R1T manual incorrectly when it showed 2 zones and then I thought this had to be an error in the manual or a coming soon feature.

I won’t be surprised if the hardware exists in all R1 vehicles built for at least one additional zone (rear) which will become functional with a future software release. I’m not counting on it, but it sure would be nice if a future OTA update revealed this.

 

[SANZC02]

Certainly, I wanted the 5 passenger model R1S from the get-go. But, I understand the change, if the change truly means that they can simplify their supply chain and build the vehicle faster.

However, if this truly represents the final version, I'm at a loss why they chose to make the third seat armrests fixed rather than an armrest that folds in the vehicle like the seats. And the chrome or chrome-like edge to the armrest ... how is that a good idea on a so-called adventure vehicle?

Here is the R1S

Here is a 2020 Land Rover Discovery ...

After golf, I dump in my folded golf cart along with golf clubs and don't have to worry about damaging my Accura RDX. Now, not only am I losing effective room, I'm either buying/making protection around the two armrests and/or a cover. And why? With a new company I want them to build on the good ideas of others, not regress.

So ... to sum it up, we got seven seats, seemingly lost the ability to have a full-sized spare and lost the ability to add battery space/capacity. And we gained fixed armrests for the third row seats.

Craptastic.

To be fair, you did not lose the ability to have a full size spare, the R1S never had that.

 

[VHRivian]

That is an older prototype, so the newer is very likely different. Also, that handle is covered when the top is closed, so an operator for the power top wouldn't be very usable in that location.

I was thinking that spot could be for use with the hatch open while there would be an outside button used for when the hatch is closed. Isn't that how every van or SUV does it? I think every powered hatch or trunk I have ever used had one button on the outside and another on the inside, but you have me questioning myself.

 

[godfodder0901]

I was thinking that spot could be for use with the hatch open while there would be an outside button used for when the hatch is closed. Isn't that how every van or SUV does it? I think every powered hatch or trunk I have ever used had one button on the outside and another on the inside, but you have me questioning myself.

The guide has no mention of a button on the outside of the R1S, FWIW...

 

[astonius]

Vehicle mainstays evolve rapidly. When one or more of those is not present on a brand new comparable vehicle without clear reasoning or alternatives it deserves to be critiqued.

 

[Snazzy Labs]

I think you're the type of person who wants the features of a $150k car for $75k. Let me guess, you complained to Rivian about the pre-order price increase, didn't you?

My dad's Kia has a HUD—and one that can even be used with polarized glasses, no less!

 

[junkanoo]

To be fair, you did not lose the ability to have a full-size spare, the R1S never had that.

Is your point that even as a 5-seater, the R1S never planned to have the option for a full-sized spair? If so, how is that good thinking by Rivian?

 

[Gator42]

The same features and much more would be available on a 2022 Land Rover Defender which is in the same ballpark as an R1S with today’s prices.

...can confirm. I'm surprised at the similarity of the two vehicles but I have to give the Landy an edge for refinement and features.

 

[SANZC02]

Is your point that even as a 5-seater, the R1S never planned to have the option for a full-sized spair? If so, how is that good thinking by Rivian?

I think the issue is space, the R1S is 17 inches shorter than the R1T and it appears that there is not enough clearance going towards the front of the R1S to allow for a full size spare. If you look at the details on the website, seems like the rear motors are limiting the forward space.

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