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Tesla also went vision only and continues to lead in autonomy, so while I'm sure LIDAR will help push Rivian forward, its clearly not required to match Tesla. I do wonder if part of Tesla's decision to go vision only was because they already had so much training data from their LIDAR-equipped models and didn't need more.
Nope. Musk stated quite openly that he saw other cars with LiDAR and thought they looked ugly. Boy is he going to be surprised with the R2's LiDAR. I'm beginning to suspect he might change his mind.
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I think one of the Rivian engineers said LIDAR/RAP1 would be in the "next model year" which means 2027 debut. I agree that it is unlikely to overlap with LE, though I do wonder if we will see non-LIDAR Premium by the end of this year while the Performance is still wrapping up LE? Or maybe once Premium is available, they'll close new reservations and only current reservation holders can get the LE and others would get the regular Performance package?
They are still saying LiDAR, RAP1, and LiDAR will be in R2 by the end of 2026. Unless that changes, LiDAR will be here early 2027 at the latest, and in all R2s when they pull the plug on gen 2.

I suspect there will be an update to the configurator, that they will announce ahead of time, where the change-over happens so everyone knows whether they should wait or not. Considering the class action lawsuit re: Gen One R1, I suspect they are smart enough to not repeat that mistake.

We will be able to decide with confidence when the time arrives. Maybe they will offer better lease/finance terms for remaining stock of Gen 2 R2s? Who knows?
 

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why the press is focusing on the LiDAR and saying to not wait for it since doesnt have too much difference while the changes are not only LiDAR? is 4x computational power+ one more processor, it has new camera sensors with more resolution and quality which will delivery smother drive. I dont care about the LiDAR itself but I care about the cameras/sensors and the computer which are in a totally different level on Gen 3 and will provide more time of updates
 

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why the press is focusing on the LiDAR and saying to not wait for it since doesnt have too much difference while the changes are not only LiDAR? is 4x computational power+ one more processor, it has new camera sensors with more resolution and quality which will delivery smother drive. I dont care about the LiDAR itself but I care about the cameras/sensors and the computer which are in a totally different level on Gen 3 and will provide more time of updates
I think the general understanding is that the current compute platform is more than capable enough for current sensors and algorithms, and has some headroom for growth. The RAP1 just has significantly more headroom (and one could argue having less headroom promotes more streamlined implementations).
Additional resolution in the cameras could be nice, but could also just needlessly complicate the processing (artificially creating a "need" for those 1600 TOPS). Sure, seeing a license plate more clearly at a distance might be useful for dashcam review, but ADAS vision probably doesn't need more resolution for the types of detection it needs to do. Its trying to identify a kid entering the road, not the color of the kid's eyes.
 

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why the press is focusing on the LiDAR and saying to not wait for it since doesnt have too much difference
Because we're still in the press release-review stage of media coverage. These people get invited to launch events w/ free travel, lodging, meals, punch and pie. Expectation is high praise or else they don't get invited next time. Competitive reviews to follow will be more grounded and candid.
 

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why the press is focusing on the LiDAR and saying to not wait for it since doesnt have too much difference while the changes are not only LiDAR? is 4x computational power+ one more processor, it has new camera sensors with more resolution and quality which will delivery smother drive. I dont care about the LiDAR itself but I care about the cameras/sensors and the computer which are in a totally different level on Gen 3 and will provide more time of updates
Is there info that confirms that the cameras and sensors (other than the Lidar) are going to be upgraded further.. My understanding from the tech briefing earlier this year was that the cameras in the release version were planned for several model releases, and only the computer, Rivian silicon and a few other bits were going into the LIDAR equiped release vehicles.
 
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Nope. Musk stated quite openly that he saw other cars with LiDAR and thought they looked ugly. Boy is he going to be surprised with the R2's LiDAR. I'm beginning to suspect he might change his mind.
Hot take but the LiDAR in the photo in the thread IS ugly. I know I put far too much into a cars appearance because the cars I see most folks comparing to the R2 in this forum are all UGLY (BMW, Volvo, etc.) They all look like hatchback/mini van cross overs, super ugly to me. The R2 is a shining star amongst any EV's looks which is why I am getting it. The only one that LOOKS like an SUV. I know I am ridiculous and not practical, I will embrace that. But the LiDAR is ugly and I am probably the only one who can care less about LiDAR I want launch without it. I don't care about RAP1 either. The car as is does what I need for the next 5 years. In 5-6 years is when I expect the LiDAR to actually matter and by then I expect the sensors will be much better integrated.
 

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Is there info that confirms that the cameras and sensors (other than the Lidar) are going to be upgraded further.. My understanding from the tech briefing earlier this year was that the cameras in the release version were planned for several model releases, and only the computer, Rivian silicon and a few other bits were going into the LIDAR equiped release vehicles.
They already upgraded the cameras and radars on the currently being produced vehicles. The only thing that will change is LIDAR and RAP1.
 

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They already upgraded the cameras and radars on the currently being produced vehicles. The only thing that will change is LIDAR and RAP1.
That’s what I thought.. they said something like the cameras and sensors in the R2 would be good for “several” generations of CPU/GPU/NN upgrades.
 

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Tesla HW 4 uses the same TOPS as the R2 can currently and they have no issue with FSD. Its a bunch of nonsense needing the LiDar to hit L4. Also in Rivian's own words the increased TOPS are needed for on car processing of raw Lidar data... I see no real-world advantage to this.
 

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Tesla HW 4 uses the same TOPS as the R2 can currently and they have no issue with FSD. Its a bunch of nonsense needing the LiDar to hit L4. Also in Rivian's own words the increased TOPS are needed for on car processing of raw Lidar data... I see no real-world advantage to this.
Well to be fair, tesla HW4 is not L4, and most Likely will never will be L5. The current R2 is actually a BIT more capable than HW4 though I think, but again I doubt it’s going to do full L4, but they do talk of “hands off eyes off” but we don’t know yet I think to what that applies.
 

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Well to be fair, tesla HW4 is not L4, and most Likely will never will be L5. The current R2 is actually a BIT more capable than HW4 though I think, but again I doubt it’s going to do full L4, but they do talk of “hands off eyes off” but we don’t know yet I think to what that applies.
Cyber cabs in Austin are running HW4 and have no driver needed self driving...
 

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