Rivian R2 vs Ford Mach-E

[Great Gatsby]

I really really really do not understand comparisons like this.
Might as well compare a 4Runner (R2) to a Camry (MME).
They're different vehicles, for different uses.
Decide what you need, then shop for vehicles in that category. Why cross shop against other categories? Are you trying to narrow your choices or widen them? If all categories are on the table, what is your main selection criterion?

What I really really really do not understand is people being confused by this. Did you even read any (or even my original) post here?

I have an R1S. My wife has a Mach-E. We are considering the Rivian R2 because I like my Rivian and it would make sense that the Mach-E would be the one to go for the R2. We are not cross shopping the two. We already own the Mach-E. This would be a trade-in. The comparison is more to see if the upgrade is worth it.

As for your comparison, not exactly the same. The Mach-E is going to be in the same category as the R2. This is the class of the Model Y, Ioniq 5, Volkswagen ID4, Cadillac Optiq, Kia EV6 and so on. They are all very different but it is just what the class looks like at the moment.

Your comment made it sound like I'm comparing a R1S to a Model 3, which even if I did, who cares? Adding to that, I'm sure a few people likely have done that comparison as well when buying a new car. People's need change or can be flexible. Checking out all the options out there is a good thing. No idea why someone finds that odd.

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[Great Gatsby]

People cross shop different categories all the time. Heck, I'm comparing all EVs. I have different likes and no one vehicle checks off all boxes. Maybe you want the most energy efficient, well sedans will likely do that. But maybe you want a car to handle a toddler's mess, well, a Rivian might do that, but maybe you want the quietest vehicle, well another vehicle for that. If there is not one feature that stands out as a necessity and is uncompromisable, then its easy to cross shop. I landed on Rivian because I like the company itself, else I might consider a Lucid Air which is nothing like it or if I want to be cheap, a Kia EV6 or something. Again, nothing like the others, but Rivian checked most of my boxes which is why I am going to settle with an R2.

The last two vehicles on my short list were the Lucid Air and Rivian R1S. Couldn't be any more different but I'm glad I gave each a fair shake before deciding on the R1S. I don't think trying everything out to see what fits your need is strange. Not sure why other people find it so perplexing.

 

[mkhuffman]

The last two vehicles on my short list were the Lucid Air and Rivian R1S. Couldn't be any more different but I'm glad I gave each a fair shake before deciding on the R1S. I don't think trying everything out to see what fits your need is strange. Not sure why other people find it so perplexing.

I moved from a Mach-e to a R1T. I absolutely compared the two vehicles. I also was considering the Gravity, but it won't hold a sheet of drywall. LOL. Neither would my Mach-e, but that was a big checkmark in the R1T's favor.

I also don't understand why people think it is strange to cross-shop vastly different vehicles. In my case, I was even considering a pickup truck, which I have never owned before in my life.

Now I am a pickup truck man. I even wear white tank tops now and throw empty beer cans into the truck bed.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I moved from a Mach-e to a R1T. I absolutely compared the two vehicles. I also was considering the Gravity, but it won't hold a sheet of drywall. LOL. Neither would my Mach-e, but that was a big checkmark in the R1T's favor.

I also don't understand why people think it is strange to cross-shop vastly different vehicles. In my case, I was even considering a pickup truck, which I have never owned before in my life.

Now I am a pickup truck man. I even wear white tank tops now and throw empty beer cans into the truck bed.

I probably update our cars every 2-3 years. Have looked at a range spanning from compact ICE SUV to full size EV pickup. They are two of us in our household and a dog but always plan for a kid in the near future. A ton of new cars come out every year, each with cool new features that change our day to day, so I'm always looking. I got my wife a Mach-E and loved it so much that I wanted to get one. Thanks to her controlling my impulses, I didn't and after driving everything under the sun, I settled on the R1S. I adore it, but I'm always looking for the next thing lol

Funny you say the pickup truck thing. I have never owned one despite occasionally checking one out. Got a Chevy Silverado EV this week while my car is in for service. I think I dig it? Am I pickup guy now? Is this how how it happens? The thing is like a mile off the ground and I look down at other pickups. Drives like a boat but I just feel so powerful. This is a problem.

 

[riv-e-in]

Keep the Mach E for now.
We had 10,000 trouble-free miles on our 2023 (and we should have kept it). Not so with a 2023 r1t and 2024 r1s - multiple service center visits for recurring issues and new issues in 12 months of ownership. The R2 may or may not be a better vehicle than the R1.
The Mach E interface isn’t as glitzy as Rivian, but it: doesn’t freeze, doesn’t forget when to switch between night & day, doesn’t take minutes to connect the radio station, can be driven with two pedals, has selectable cruise, has a much larger selection of quality tires, has significantly more legroom, has better seats, has zero battery drain after weeks of not being used, recognizes the key fob. If the Mach E had a straight roof (vs. curved roof) to support tall humans in the back seat, then we’d still own it.

 

[Great Gatsby]

Keep the Mach E for now.
We had 10,000 trouble-free miles on our 2023 (and we should have kept it). Not so with a 2023 r1t and 2024 r1s - multiple service center visits for recurring issues and new issues in 12 months of ownership. The R2 may or may not be a better vehicle than the R1.
The Mach E interface isn’t as glitzy as Rivian, but it: doesn’t freeze, doesn’t forget when to switch between night & day, doesn’t take minutes to connect the radio station, can be driven with two pedals, has selectable cruise, has a much larger selection of quality tires, has significantly more legroom, has better seats, has zero battery drain after weeks of not being used, recognizes the key fob. If the Mach E had a straight roof (vs. curved roof) to support tall humans in the back seat, then we’d still own it.

Honestly. this is my main hesitation. Specially with the R2 being my wife's car. I have the patience to deal with the issues (my R1S is in the shop and amongst the things I brought in in for, they found a leaking damper) but her, not so much. Our Mach-E has been an all-star too. My mindset now is to wait until the R2 is out for a few months and see how initial reviews and reliability concerns play out. I think given the less complexity involved and a more mature Rivian that it will fare better than the R1, but only time will tell.

Nothing against Ford honestly, the Mach-E has been great, they just made it clear that they are not too focused on electrification so not expecting anything ground breaking for the Mach-E anytime soon. Also the range on the highway leaves a lot to be desired. That is probably my biggest issue currently with her car. The charging times and range are just not competitive for the class anymore.

 

[mkhuffman]

The charging times and range are just not competitive for the class anymore.

This was the primary reason I traded it in for the R1T. The range in my T is soooo much better. And it charges significantly faster. It is much easier to avoid public charging now. And when I need to charge, it is faster.

 

[windblowlc]

The Mach E interface isn’t as glitzy as Rivian, but it: doesn’t freeze, doesn’t forget when to switch between night & day, doesn’t take minutes to connect the radio station, can be driven with two pedals, has selectable cruise, has a much larger selection of quality tires, has significantly more legroom, has better seats, has zero battery drain after weeks of not being used, recognizes the key fob. If the Mach E had a straight roof (vs. curved roof) to support tall humans in the back seat, then we’d still own it.

Nothing you say above apply to my R1T. You made it sound like real problems. My screen doesn't ever freeze and never forget to switch night/day mode. It's been ages since I listen to the radio when I have music streaming. One pedal driving is so much better in the R1 than without - if Rivian do away with it I would do away with Rivian. My R1T has more than enough leg room for my need, the most comfortable and supportive seats IMO. Mine doesn't have zero battery drain but 1% loss after a 6 days trip airport parking is perfectly fine with me. And key fob is a thing of the past - one less thing you have to carry in your pocket.

 

[strykerwsu]

Keep the Mach E for now.
We had 10,000 trouble-free miles on our 2023 (and we should have kept it). Not so with a 2023 r1t and 2024 r1s - multiple service center visits for recurring issues and new issues in 12 months of ownership. The R2 may or may not be a better vehicle than the R1.
The Mach E interface isn’t as glitzy as Rivian, but it: doesn’t freeze, doesn’t forget when to switch between night & day, doesn’t take minutes to connect the radio station, can be driven with two pedals, has selectable cruise, has a much larger selection of quality tires, has significantly more legroom, has better seats, has zero battery drain after weeks of not being used, recognizes the key fob. If the Mach E had a straight roof (vs. curved roof) to support tall humans in the back seat, then we’d still own it.

I have all 3 as well. Sorry to hear about your issues, as both our R1’s have been trouble free for over 50k of miles. Since you have both, I made sure to get 2 different set of wheels 21 and 22’s and then bought a cheap 20 inch set. Now have endless amount of tire setups for range, snow, off-road, track. Not sure how mache has more legroom? Biggest complaint of kids is too too tight but love GT performance and size. Definitely disagree on seats but some of that is the harsh bounce ride of Mach e. No issues with PAAK on any of them.

Mache does great for battery drain but only lose 1 KW per night now in R1s which is way better than Tesla. Etrons are the only other electric I have bee around that dont have vampire drain but like Mach e get an uodate every 18 months if lucky. I will take the drain with the awesome updates in both Rivians and Tesla. Mach e service is a nightmare as techs dont want to work on electric.

Love all our EVs but Rivians being 3 vehicles in 1 for the win for me. Daughter drives the mach e and loves it.

 

[SASSquatch]

My advice: wait at least 1 production year for R2. See how people's experience is in the first Gen R2 before diving in and sacrificing the reliability of your Ford Mach-e.

People don't put enough emphasis on reliability when they are making car decisions. With a first gen vehicle you are bound to go through growing pains. Look around this forum.

I say all of this and the moment the R3x is for sale I'm driving across country in a diaper if I have to to pick it up, but I'm a little nutz.

 

[Webleyaz]

I say all of this and the moment the R3x is for sale I'm driving across country in a diaper if I have to to pick it up, but I'm a little nutz.

Ima beat you there cuz I'll be flying w/o diaper. Peanut m&ms, maybe. Or raisinettes.

 

[SANZC02]

My wife currently has a 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium AWD with the extended range (which bumps it up to 280 miles but in theory its closer to 220 on the highway). It has been solid and overall good to us, but am debating reserving an R2 to take its place. Made a list of pros and cons, but wanted to get some other thoughts and feedback.

Here is what I have so far:

Benefits of R2:

-Larger frunk
-More (accurate) range
-More space
-Better infotainment
-Dog mode
-Faster 0-60
-Powered rear glass
-Built in NACS Port (in theory, faster charging and on correct side)
-More storage
-Higher ride height

Benefits of Mach-E:

-Cheaper price (MSRP)
-Easier to service (more readily available Ford dealers)
-Less reliability concerns (two years of ownership with virtually no issues and Ford experience with building these)
-No extra cost for connectivity (via Carplay)

Obviously would love to make us an all Rivian household (my BMW is the roadtrip car and will likely go with this upgrade as well, but that's another story), but also want to make sure the trade-up makes sense. It's sounding good on paper so far.

Seems like you are cross shopping different vehicle types. The R2 is more of a small SUV, to me the Mach E is more of a crossover and compares closer to the Model Y and Ioniq 5 than the R2.

 

[SASSquatch]

Ima beat you there cuz I'll be flying w/o diaper. Peanut m&ms, maybe. Or raisinettes.

Given how gross some of those airplane bathrooms are, you may want to rethink the diaper.

Meanwhile, you had me at peanut m&ms...

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