Standard Dual Motor does not get new Gauge View

[R.I.P.]

You’re touching on exactly why I was so upset about the disparity with the gauges. It was never about the gauges, it was about not being treated the same without any prior indication that would be the case. Hopefully it was just a mistake on their end and not a pattern.

Yup. I want all the tech, I want to choose the drivetrain that suits my purpose, and I do not want to be treated like a welfare customer if I do not intend to race anybody (on road) in my truck.

Happily, I got a response to my strongly-worded letter to Rivian on the subject with an assurance that it indeed was a bug, omitting the DM was not intended, and it will be corrected in a future update.

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[Donald Stanfield]

You are missing the point. It’s


You’re touching on exactly why I was so upset about the disparity with the gauges. It was never about the gauges, it was about not being treated the same without any prior indication that would be the case. Hopefully it was just a mistake on their end and not a pattern.

Why do you think you should be treated the same when you didn't buy the same thing?

 

[R.I.P.]

Why do you think you should be treated the same when you didn't buy the same thing?

Um, I did buy the "same thing". I purchased a high-end electric truck from Rivian. I sold my QM and bought DM because it fits my use case better. QM and DM are different, and excel at different things, QM is not "better" in every way. One of the more important areas people look at is efficiency/range; and DM is the better choice in that regard.

So, those of us that chose DM have no less desire to see the motor temps on both motors as those looking at four motor temps. I paid substantially more for my DM than I paid for my QM, and have been assured by Rivian in a conversation this morning that I am not considered a "lesser" customer just because I no longer have the QM.

You seem to think so, but thankfully Rivian does not.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Um, I did buy the "same thing".


. QM and DM are different,

Pick one.

 

[MColbert]

Why do you think you should be treated the same when you didn't buy the same thing?

You have quite the superiority complex and I’m growing tired of interacting with you. I bought the same truck you did, it has 2 fewer motors. It’s still the R1T Adventure package, you can argue all day long about how your truck is superior and should get superior treatment. You’re wrong, and acting like a troll. Move on dude.

 

[Stickboy46]

Agreed. There are a lot of people who are not deciding between DM Performance vs. Non-performance, but between Rivian and another make.

The Out of Spec Podcast host, Francie, recently picked up an R1T Dual Motor Standard w/o All Terrain Package, and she was cross-shopping with a Model Y. The R1T seemed like a stretch for her. I wonder if she'd still make that choice if she knew that her truck would not get some software features that other Rivians got. We know that "fairness" and treatment relative to others are more important to people than how they're treated from an absolute standpoint. The perception of unequal treatment, when that was not made clear at time of purchase, may hurt more than pushing people to upgrade helps Rivian's bottom line.

I'm still hopeful that Rivian will fix this in future updates.

EDIT: Dang, it seems like I missed some important updates while replying. Lessoned learned -- read the whole thread first! Happy to hear that Rivian reversed.

Well then she would be SUPER dissapointed to learn that Model Y Performance models get updates that the regular Model Y does not. Its good that Rivian is reversing it .. but this consumer would just be uninformed if they thought going to Tesla would get her all the updates. They also previously promised parity then backed off .. only difference is .. they never went back and did what they promised like Rivian is doing here.

 

[R.I.P.]

Pick one.

Um, I am not sure what you mean...?

I have had both. I started with a QM, now have a DM. So I "picked" the DM over the QM... is that what you are asking?

 

[Stickboy46]

You have quite the superiority complex and I’m growing tired of interacting with you. I bought the same truck you did, it has 2 fewer motors. It’s still the R1T Adventure package, you can argue all day long about how your truck is superior and should get superior treatment. You’re wrong, and acting like a troll. Move on dude.

I agree with him .. you can't buy the same truck with 2 fewer motors .. its a different truck. You are wrong .. move on dude. Good for Rivian for flipping back to parity, but to say the Dual and Quad Motors are the same truck is not true.

 

[jplblue]

Well then she would be SUPER dissapointed to learn that Model Y Performance models get updates that the regular Model Y does not. Its good that Rivian is reversing it .. but this consumer would just be uninformed if they thought going to Tesla would get her all the updates. They also previously promised parity then backed off .. only difference is .. they never went back and did what they promised like Rivian is doing here.

Thanks -- the ignorance is on my part.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Um, I am not sure what you mean...?

I have had both. I started with a QM, now have a DM. So I "picked" the DM over the QM... is that what you are asking?

No thats not what im saying at all. I'm saying that a truck with a totally different power train is not the same truck and it is outright wrong to claim it is.

My Audi sq5 is not the same as a Q5 simply because they both have q5 in the name. Asserting it as such is flat out wrong.

 

[R.I.P.]

Well then she would be SUPER dissapointed to learn that Model Y Performance models get updates that the regular Model Y does not. Its good that Rivian is reversing it .. but this consumer would just be uninformed if they thought going to Tesla would get her all the updates. They also previously promised parity then backed off .. only difference is .. they never went back and did what they promised like Rivian is doing here.

So, I have a LR Y and the wife has a Performance 3. Your argument does not track, because the update differential is limited to hardware/features my LR does not posses.

So no, this is not the same.... but again... Rivian has weighed in, and confirmed it is just a bug.

 

[MColbert]

Um, I did buy the "same thing". I purchased a high-end electric truck from Rivian. I sold my QM and bought DM because it fits my use case better. QM and DM are different, and excel at different things, QM is not "better" in every way. One of the more important areas people look at is efficiency/range; and DM is the better choice in that regard.

So, those of us that chose DM have no less desire to see the motor temps on both motors as those looking at four motor temps. I paid substantially more for my DM than I paid for my QM, and have been assured by Rivian in a conversation this morning that I am not considered a "lesser" customer just because I no longer have the QM.

You seem to think so, but thankfully Rivian does not.

He’s trying to feel superior, you can put all the evidence in the work

I agree with him .. you can't buy the same truck with 2 fewer motors .. its a different truck. You are wrong .. move on dude. Good for Rivian for flipping back to parity, but to say the Dual and Quad Motors are the same truck is not true.

Sure, there is a difference of 2 motors. But that doesn’t mean that one group of owners should be treated differently than another. His arguments up to this point have basically been that the quad is a more premium truck and that the dual should have to pay for “premium updates”. They're trimmed out the exact same way, less 2 motors. The cost difference is for motors and associated power/ capability. Not support.

 

[MColbert]

No thats not what im saying at all. I'm saying that a truck with a totally different power train is not the same truck and it is outright wrong to claim it is.

My Audi sq5 is not the same as a Q5 simply because they both have q5 in the name. Asserting it as such is flat out wrong.

You paid for two more motors, not a more premium level of support.

 

[Stickboy46]

So, I have a LR Y and the wife has a Performance 3. Your argument does not track, because the update differential is limited to hardware/features my LR does not posses.

So no, this is not the same.... but again... Rivian has weighed in, and confirmed it is just a bug.

So your LR Y has the track mode that the Performance 3 does? Better tell Tesla because it's not supposed to (also LR AWD M3 with the EXACT hardware as a performance .... just software limited also does not have it.). Track mode is basically identical to what we have here

 

[R.I.P.]

No thats not what im saying at all. I'm saying that a truck with a totally different power train is not the same truck and it is outright wrong to claim it is.

My Audi sq5 is not the same as a Q5 simply because they both have q5 in the name. Asserting it as such is flat out wrong.

Your argument is that a Diesel F250 should get an engine temp gage but a gas powered F250 should not because the engine is powered differently? I sure have to say that I cannot understand that position.

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