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[COdogman]

What proof are you looking for - an official statement from Rivian? That's not happening.

As an investor - they are prioritizing the Ts and or EDVs to hit that 25k annual figure. Good for them and it makes sense. As an early pre order holder it outright sucks for those such as @paariv that Rivian was stringing along with an Oct-Dec delivery estimates.

You haven't been around long enough here, and/or, following Rivian to realize that there won't be "proof" or an "official statement" stating as such from Rivian. We come together as a community here and discern our own relative truths.

In all honesty, I truly believe you feel bad that your own T preorder is going in front of some OG R1S preorder holders but the way you are coming off just doesn't align with your sentiment.

I am asking for ANY proof. Anything at all. So far it's all speculation and outrage over things no one can back up.

I actually DON'T know that my T will arrive before anyone's order, and neither do you. But hasn't that been the story all along with the Rivian lottery? Or did you just start caring about it this week?

The fact that you claim to know how long I have been following Rivian and/ or "around here" (as if that makes a difference at all) is actually a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance displayed by a few people in this thread, yourself included. You have no idea how long I've been doing either of those things, yet you type the words as if you are some authority on the topic.

But it's me that's coming off poorly

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[JerseyGreens]

I am asking for ANY proof. Anything at all. So far it's all speculation and outrage over things no one can back up.

I actually DON'T know that my T will arrive before anyone's order, and neither do you. But hasn't that been the story all along with the Rivian lottery? Or did you just start caring about it this week?

The fact that you claim to know how long I have been following Rivian and/ or "around here" (as if that makes a difference at all) is actually a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance displayed by a few people in this thread, yourself included. You have no idea how long I've been doing either of those things, yet you type the words as if you are some authority on the topic.

But it's me that's coming off poorly

Based on your preorder date you haven't been around here long enough...Seems to me that I may have hurt your feelings...Speaking to facts since the date you ordered is in your signature...

 

[COdogman]

Based on your preorder date you haven't been around here long enough...Seems to me that I may have hurt your feelings...Speaking to facts since the date you ordered is in your signature...

The date I ordered tells you how long I've been following Rivian and/ or reading threads on this forum?

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Thank you.

 

[rslchu]

Ordered: 11/2021
Delivered: 11/2023 (maybe)

Delivery: Georgia.

you're lucky. my preoder date was May 2019, but got the same delivery date as you.

 

[paariv]

I am asking for ANY proof. Anything at all. So far it's all speculation and outrage over things no one can back up.

I actually DON'T know that my T will arrive before anyone's order, and neither do you. But hasn't that been the story all along with the Rivian lottery? Or did you just start caring about it this week?

The fact that you claim to know how long I have been following Rivian and/ or "around here" (as if that makes a difference at all) is actually a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance displayed by a few people in this thread, yourself included. You have no idea how long I've been doing either of those things, yet you type the words as if you are some authority on the topic.

But it's me that's coming off poorly

I'll respond one last time on this, as we're probably just going to be talking past each other at this point. But I'll address your request for evidence/proof of an R1S delay with my own: what would be sufficient proof for you to believe there is (or was) an issue? Would anything short of a public admission by Rivian be enough?

We know from past experience that Rivian would never - ever - disclose a production issue until well after it's resolved. Last year at this time they claimed to be making customer R1T deliveries. They weren't (and have now said as much). All R1Ts were going to employees/insiders.

And at that time there were lots of people on the boards saying "maybe people who don't post here are getting their trucks, you can't prove there's an issue." But that wasn't happening; once deliveries started in earnest, we knew immediately from people posting. There's very little that happens that the boards don't know about.

Feels like the same thing with the R1S here. There are plenty of people who got new R1T windows in 2022. In contrast, there are zero new R1S windows in 2022. And more anecdotally, the pace of R1S deliveries and guide contact has slowed since the first batch. This is exactly what I'd expect to see if there were an unannounced delay in R1S production. What would you expect to see if there were an unannounced delay? How would it differ from what we're seeing now?

As far as I can tell the only evidence to the contrary is the poll you keep citing. But we don't know why people answered "no delay," and "no delay" for late 2023/2024 deliveries doesn't mean things are fine now. There's plenty of time to pause R1S production now and still get back on track for deliveries that are 12-18 months out.

Nobody can know what's happening for sure. I just think you're giving Rivian the benefit of the doubt when it hasn't earned that, and asking me to prove a negative (which is not possible). I'll stick with my position that the most reasonable conclusion based on what we're seeing is that there was (or is) some R1S production issue that led to a hopefully brief delay.

 

[JerseyGreens]

@paariv

The date I ordered tells you how long I've been following Rivian and/ or reading threads on this forum?

This is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Thank you.

The ignore button is a beautiful tool on this forum...you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and just love hearing yourself say the word, "proof"...

Unfortunately I won't get to see your immature response to @paariv latest message.

 

[billycwhatup]

I've been lurking for a long time but haven't posted. I'm super disappointed. Ordered in January of 2020 while looking at the R1T at CES. Windows have continually been pushed back. I reluctantly put a deposit on an EQS SUV and am glad I did. I take delivery of that later this week. I'll hold onto the R1S reservation as there is no incentive not to. But, to echo others, it's not just the growing pains of a production line, but rather it's terrible communication (or lack thereof). And for what it's worth, I live in the immediate Washington DC area (inside the Beltway).

 

[COdogman]

I'll respond one last time on this, as we're probably just going to be talking past each other at this point. But I'll address your request for evidence/proof of an R1S delay with my own: what would be sufficient proof for you to believe there is (or was) an issue? Would anything short of a public admission by Rivian be enough?

We know from past experience that Rivian would never - ever - disclose a production issue until well after it's resolved. Last year at this time they claimed to be making customer R1T deliveries. They weren't (and have now said as much). All R1Ts were going to employees/insiders.

And at that time there were lots of people on the boards saying "maybe people who don't post here are getting their trucks, you can't prove there's an issue." But that wasn't happening; once deliveries started in earnest, we knew immediately from people posting. There's very little that happens that the boards don't know about.

Feels like the same thing with the R1S here. There are plenty of people who got new R1T windows in 2022. In contrast, there are zero new R1S windows in 2022. And more anecdotally, the pace of R1S deliveries and guide contact has slowed since the first batch. This is exactly what I'd expect to see if there were an unannounced delay in R1S production. What would you expect to see if there were an unannounced delay? How would it differ from what we're seeing now?

As far as I can tell the only evidence to the contrary is the poll you keep citing. But we don't know why people answered "no delay," and "no delay" for late 2023/2024 deliveries doesn't mean things are fine now. There's plenty of time to pause R1S production now and still get back on track for deliveries that are 12-18 months out.

Nobody can know what's happening for sure. I just think you're giving Rivian the benefit of the doubt when it hasn't earned that, and asking me to prove a negative (which is not possible). I'll stick with my position that the most reasonable conclusion based on what we're seeing is that there was (or is) some R1S production issue that led to a hopefully brief delay.

First, I didn't cite the poll. Someone else did. I actually pointed out how the poll could be wrong and/ or interpreted in multiple ways.

Second, I'm not giving Rivian the benefit of the doubt. I have stated in this thread multiple times how they screwed this up again by not explaining what is happening or why. You and everyone else deserve better.

Third, the absence of evidence is not evidence. Just because some people here saw delays and some people outside of here (probably) saw delays does not tell the whole story. That's all.

Lastly, All I've expected people to say is what you finally said in your last paragraph:

Nobody can know what's happening for sure.

That is exactly what I have been saying each post. But that is offensive to some who cannot admit they actually don't know.

It's fine to have your own ideas and/ or hunches about what is happening with orders. That is what we spend most of our time in this forum doing every day. It's another thing to state things as fact that are not proven in any way. Whether it's the poll or the simple fact that T owners also saw delays in their windows, there are plenty of reasons to doubt the theory you are pushing.

 

[COdogman]

@paariv

The ignore button is a beautiful tool on this forum...you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and just love hearing yourself say the word, "proof"...

Unfortunately I won't get to see your immature response to @paariv latest message.

 

[cheffie]

I love how many "new" or recent R1T order holders have entered this thread and continue to reiterate, "hey, timeout - lets see what Rivian has actually stated"...

You folks haven't been around long enough to realize that:

1) Rivian isn't the best company when it comes to communication and can often change their narrative (not to be confused with them being malfeasant)

and

2) that leaves a lot for this community to piece together...

Theres nothing wrong with a company pivoting into a new plan if they think it’s more efficient…that’s not “changing their narrative”.

There’s only a lot to piece together if you deliberately ignore Rivian’s messaging. Otherwise is pretty plainly laid out.

 

[tusharparmar]

Seems like there is some confusion here, I said failed as a company to have my (and possibly many others) faith in them.

 

[wilderaz]

April 2019 R1S LE Order, April 2022 Configured, May 2022 Guide Contact, June-July 2022 Initial Delivery Window, June 2022 PBA Signed, August 2022 BPC Signed, April-June 2023 New Delivery Window. Countless false commitments and missed deadlines.

Please explain how those that ordered a year or more later have the same delivery window and, in some instances, have already received their R1S vehicles? *%${ you Rivian!

 

[greatdane1588]

Ordered: 11/2021
Delivered: 11/2023 (maybe)

Delivery: Georgia.

Damn I reserved the same month with what looks like the same config except for white paint... And mine just says "2024" ? (in Seattle area...but seems like I've seen lots of deliveries around here so don't know how much that matters vs Georgia)

 

[DJG]

Hmmm, my preorder date is 02/21 for an R1S (LA Silver, OC) and my delivery window is Jan-Dec 2024! Needless to say, very disappointed and honestly surprised. Why provide a 12 month window that is 14 months away?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ would have been more honest.

It's only a 12 month window right now, and will become a more narrow one in a future update. It's better than a we don't know, because you just need to know it's not imminent at this point. I think you can probably assume it's 1H 2024 at this point, but you never know and things are always fluid.

 

[Chewy734]

April 2019 R1S LE Order, April 2022 Configured, May 2022 Guide Contact, June-July 2022 Initial Delivery Window, June 2022 PBA Signed, August 2022 BPC Signed, April-June 2023 New Delivery Window. Countless false commitments and missed deadlines.

Please explain how those that ordered a year or more later have the same delivery window and, in some instances, have already received their R1S vehicles? *%${ you Rivian!

I ordered back on 12/3/2018 and I have the same delivery window as you! It’s just not fair, but I suppose life never is.

Rivian’s ordering queue needs work… it’s like it was made by some intern software engineer with no algorithm experience.

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