Overland RuffRax - Roof Rack & Bed Rack

[Ogryry]

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[Inkedsphynx]

Holy shit prices Batman!!!

I love the look of the product and would probably be interested, but there is not a chance I'm spending 4 thousand dollars on some bed racks. Unless it comes with a secret storage compartment full of hookers and blow, that's an ungodly price.

Hey manufacturers, just because we bought a 'luxury' expensive vehicle doesn't mean you're going to get to gouge us all insanely. I can't imagine there's justification for these things costing 4 grand. If there is, they are extremely overbuilt.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Holy shit prices Batman!!!

I love the look of the product and would probably be interested, but there is not a chance I'm spending 4 thousand dollars on some bed racks. Unless it comes with a secret storage compartment full of hookers and blow, that's an ungodly price.

Hey manufacturers, just because we bought a 'luxury' expensive vehicle doesn't mean you're going to get to gouge us all insanely. I can't imagine there's justification for these things costing 4 grand. If there is, they are extremely overbuilt.

Yeah it's really telling how all the suggested ones are racks for other vehicles and are thousands less than these. Really sort of screams price gouging when you can buy the same 3K dollar rack for a ranger for 1500. Regardless of how deep my personal pockets are I don't want to be bent over for the same accessories that other people get for half the price.

 

[TAZ]

Yeah but you'd be the coolest "overlander" in the Bed, Bath and Beyond parking lot!

 

[SJaYx2P]

Pricing went down to $3295.

 

[jjswan33]

Pricing went down to $3295.

I noticed that but sadly the price of the roof rack didn't go down

I have still been going back and forth with them on dimensions of the roof rack. Previously they told me it doesn't extend above the fin on the R1T but now the word is that it extends 1.25" above the fin.

Also some may be interested that I was told they will post and sell their 'mount' though they haven't posted it to their website yet. He told me $199 for a pair of mounts, so for a bed rack or roof rack you would need 2 pairs. No surprise on the high cost there I guess but an option if someone wants to build something custom.

 

[Inkedsphynx]

3300$ is still too expensive by quite a bit. At 2k I'd consider it, though wouldn't pull the trigger right away. I'll keep waiting until more options are on the market and companies start looking at reasonable margins.

 

[kylealden]

I agree that this probably doesn't meet the value threshold for me, especially with currently available info (e.g. - more info on mounting, are cab and bed racks even for e.g. mounting longer cargo like a RTT, etc.).

But, I would encourage folks not to attribute this to greed on the part of the manufacturer. Rivian is a new vehicle with a niche market and lots of unique fitment considerations (mounting hardware, aero, tonneau, roof glass, etc...).

All the extra R&D/design/tooling has to be priced in there, and the customer base is a lot smaller. So the price is going to be a lot higher. It's not "unfair" - quite the contrary. If we aren't willing to reward companies that invest in making Rivian accessories, there simply will be fewer companies that do so. I'd rather have a luxe aftermarket for the luxe truck than no aftermarket at all.

Given time and more marketshare, this will start to shift.

 

[Inkedsphynx]

I agree that this probably doesn't meet the value threshold for me, especially with currently available info (e.g. - more info on mounting, are cab and bed racks even for e.g. mounting longer cargo like a RTT, etc.).

But, I would encourage folks not to attribute this to greed on the part of the manufacturer. Rivian is a new vehicle with a niche market and lots of unique fitment considerations (mounting hardware, aero, tonneau, roof glass, etc...).

All the extra R&D/design/tooling has to be priced in there, and the customer base is a lot smaller. So the price is going to be a lot higher. It's not "unfair" - quite the contrary. If we aren't willing to reward companies that invest in making Rivian accessories, there simply will be fewer companies that do so. I'd rather have a luxe aftermarket for the luxe truck than no aftermarket at all.

Given time and more marketshare, this will start to shift.

There are no considerations for an R1T that shouldn't be considerations for any other truck. Every manufacturer has their own mounting system, so that's not much different either.

You are right on the economy of scale, and I expect there to be a modest premium to account for that, but these are still over twice what it would cost to get a comparable set for an ICE vehicle and that is simply too much. If they want to show me their COGS and prove that it's justified, maybe they do have to be this expensive. If so, that's a shame, because they're more expensive than I'm willing to pay.

 

[jjswan33]

I agree that this probably doesn't meet the value threshold for me, especially with currently available info (e.g. - more info on mounting, are cab and bed racks even for e.g. mounting longer cargo like a RTT, etc.).

But, I would encourage folks not to attribute this to greed on the part of the manufacturer. Rivian is a new vehicle with a niche market and lots of unique fitment considerations (mounting hardware, aero, tonneau, roof glass, etc...).

All the extra R&D/design/tooling has to be priced in there, and the customer base is a lot smaller. So the price is going to be a lot higher. It's not "unfair" - quite the contrary. If we aren't willing to reward companies that invest in making Rivian accessories, there simply will be fewer companies that do so. I'd rather have a luxe aftermarket for the luxe truck than no aftermarket at all.

Given time and more marketshare, this will start to shift.

Great point of view. I was/am willing to spend the cash on the roof rack as I think it would be a good fit for my build. The issue I have with this specific company is after multiple emails and a couple of phone conversations I still don't have my questions answered, we will say the follow through on promises hasn't been there to date. I'm afraid by the time I get the answers I need it will be too late to use it in my build.

 

[kylealden]

There are no considerations for an R1T that shouldn't be considerations for any other truck. Every manufacturer has their own mounting system, so that's not much different either.

FWIW this isn't consistent with what I've heard from other vendors (like GFC) that I've talked to about building Rivian solutions.

Rivian's crossbar mounts are super clever but also a unique mechanism, whereas bed rail clamps or similar mechanisms are extremely common, well understood, and (crucially) have huge markets.

Rivian's trailing cab spoiler, roof glass, bed release buttons (gear tunnel/tonneau/tailgate), etc. are all design considerations that require specific and mostly unique attention compared to your typical mass market overland rig.

It's not impossible by any means, but if you ask your engineers and ID folks to spend a week designing and prototyping, and then need to stand up tooling, and only realistically expect to sell dozens when a Tacoma equivalent would sell thousands, pretty soon each buyer is paying for a real slice of that R&D.

And I agree that it's probably too expensive because of that! But it's important to recognize that the alternative is mostly what other vendors are choosing - "Nah. Maybe when there are more on the road."

 

[Inkedsphynx]

FWIW this isn't consistent with what I've heard from other vendors (like GFC) that I've talked to about building Rivian solutions.

Rivian's crossbar mounts are super clever but also a unique mechanism, whereas bed rail clamps or similar mechanisms are extremely common, well understood, and (crucially) have huge markets.

Rivian's trailing cab spoiler, roof glass, bed release buttons (gear tunnel/tonneau/tailgate), etc. are all design considerations that require specific and mostly unique attention compared to your typical mass market overland rig.

It's not impossible by any means, but if you ask your engineers and ID folks to spend a week designing and prototyping, and then need to stand up tooling, and only realistically expect to sell dozens when a Tacoma equivalent would sell thousands, pretty soon each buyer is paying for a real slice of that R&D.

And I agree that it's probably too expensive because of that! But it's important to recognize that the alternative is mostly what other vendors are choosing - "Nah. Maybe when there are more on the road."

I don't discount any of that, though some of those engineering obstacles seem pretty trivial. The fin? Just rise the height of the rack by a few inches. Etc, etc.

The real shame is that your last sentence goes both ways. Until there are reasonably-priced options, I'll be sitting the market out. So, in reality, everyone is losing. Maybe this company will get lucky and there are lots of folks willing to pay that much, but I'm doubtful.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

FWIW this isn't consistent with what I've heard from other vendors (like GFC) that I've talked to about building Rivian solutions.

Rivian's crossbar mounts are super clever but also a unique mechanism, whereas bed rail clamps or similar mechanisms are extremely common, well understood, and (crucially) have huge markets.

Rivian's trailing cab spoiler, roof glass, bed release buttons (gear tunnel/tonneau/tailgate), etc. are all design considerations that require specific and mostly unique attention compared to your typical mass market overland rig.

It's not impossible by any means, but if you ask your engineers and ID folks to spend a week designing and prototyping, and then need to stand up tooling, and only realistically expect to sell dozens when a Tacoma equivalent would sell thousands, pretty soon each buyer is paying for a real slice of that R&D.

And I agree that it's probably too expensive because of that! But it's important to recognize that the alternative is mostly what other vendors are choosing - "Nah. Maybe when there are more on the road."

The plates that clip into the built in mounts aren't all that complicated. I doubt there was any significant costs associated with making that work. If anything the attachments are more secure and easily done than with standard mounting systems. There are certain costs that you can pass on to consumers, and ones you cannot.

I'm not sure what's involved in manufacturing the rivian specific parts but it looks to me that the overwhelming majority of these racks are not vehicle specific. Just the mounting that's designed to mate to a rack they can also manufacture for other vehicles. I don't see where twice the cost of the same rack for an ICE vehicle comes from. I can have the rivian specific rails made by a fab shop for probably 500 bucks as a one off. There isn't that much R&D associated with the mounting rails as I could probably design something extremely similar myself. Those integrated crossbar points + some U bolts underneath them and nuts on a flat plate over the whole top. Done.

 

[jjswan33]

I know this is an older thread but Buyer Beware when dealing with Overland Ruff Rax (ORR). It’s a premium priced product but the service and follow through don’t match that. Updated OP as well for completeness:

My Overland Ruff Rax story.

I ordered the roof rack and 2 sets of extra mounts for a different project.

To start with the mounts which ORR is just a resale from @DCE. He charged me $200 for each set of mounts. This seemed like gouging but I liked the option and needed them so I agreed. The main issue I have is that despite paying $400 Sam at ORR only sent me two extra mounts.

Next to the Roof Rack. Much has been discussed of the $2595 price I thought it was fair but after seeing what you get again I think he is gouging us. The rack is basically the custom sized sides, the fairing and a bunch of 80/20 ALU extrusion. The mounts are obviously an extra cost but since they were engineered by @DCE this should only be a small portion of the rack cost.

With the rack I also had several issues. First off the piece of extrusion for the front that the fairing attaches to was too long, assembly was impossible. Luckily I have a capable chop saw and with instructions from Sam I trimmed 1/8” or so from each side and I was able to get the rack together without a big gap in the center front (I have seen that other posters have this issue so not alone here). Next issue they hadn’t sent enough T-Nuts for the install, apparently he sent me the amount I would need if I had the lightbar cutout.

I talked with Sam immediately and he apologized for both issues and said he would send me parts right away. Two days later he sent off the package but only included the T-Nuts. Blamed some engineering Issue and said he couldn’t get more mounts from @DCE until after King of Hammers. Following up with him after KOH, no mounts at all in fact he won’t even take my calls or answer to my messages.

Bottom line for the cost and level of incompetence I would highly recommend buying your racks from @XtruSn_Al link or @RANGE INDUSTRIES link. Maybe one of those will offer a Roof Rack eventually if that is what you are after. Also as much as I like the @DCE rock slider solution I am hesitant to do business with them after this experience which is unfortunate because it’s likely no fault of theirs.

Edit: Sam reached out to me, apparently saw this post and assures me he will get me the rest of the parts I need, he had his reasons for the delay which are reasonable I wish he wouldn't have been too busy to follow up. Anyway we will see. He also acknowledged the mistake with the piece being too long and assures me it will be right for future customers.

Edit 3/3/2023: After some back and forth Sam did come through with what was promised. In fact now I have extra parts. Still think he has some work to do on following through on his promises, it doesn't seem intentional but due to overwork though.

 

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