Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[SASSquatch]

As more and more vehicles switch to the NACS standard, the current CCS suppliers EA, EVGo and others will have to also switch to offering NACS charging which would ultimately create competition with Tesla Supercharging. It's available now with a CCS to Tesla adapter. With that, most of the initial arguments fall apart.

Adding NACS as a charging option for current CCS suppliers is a good thing - just like adding a magic dock to a Tesla Supercharger is a good thing.

The goal is to ensure competition and that one entity doesn't dominate the market. The problem is that Ford and GM didn't give money to EA - they gave it to Tesla.

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[SDH]

Wow some are sure passionate about this! I’ve never once pondered who was profiting from the handle at the gas station. Gas is gas and electrons are electrons, we just need an easy efficient way to get them in the car.

The market will sort this out, and it’s starting to look like the market has spoken. If you don’t like Tesla, don’t go to a supercharger. Easy.

I wonder how many here arguing against this will forget all about it in a couple years and secretly be using superchargers for road trips because they don’t want to waste time with the “other guys”.

100% agree. Why are folks getting all upset just because it's Tesla. Did anyone stop filling up from BP when they dumped all that Crude in GOM? No.

The rising tide will lift all boats. So what if Tesla make more $ from it. Good for them.

 

[SASSquatch]

100% agree. Why are folks getting all upset just because it's Tesla. Did anyone stop filling up from BP when they dumped all that Crude in GOM? No.

The rising tide will lift all boats. So what if Tesla make more $ from it. Good for them.

How is Tesla having dominant control of the charging market a "rising tide that lifts all boats?"

They control nearly 100% of the NACS charging market and are poised to dominate the development and buildout of the future market since OEMS are handing them over the cash instead of investing it in 3rd parties who don't have a dog in the fight.

That is my issue.

 

[docwhiz]

800v architecture is the next logical step. I cannot fathom why going backwards would be good for the consumer.

If we are going to create an environment that supports scaling EV adoption, we need faster charging speeds and 800-1000v absolutely gets us there.

500v does not.

NACS is capable of 1000 v

 

[docwhiz]

Adding NACS as a charging option for current CCS suppliers is a good thing - just like adding a magic dock to a Tesla Supercharger is a good thing.

The goal is to ensure competition and that one entity doesn't dominate the market. The problem is that Ford and GM didn't give money to EA - they gave it to Tesla.

Actually, the purpose of standards is to dominate the market which makes it easy for everyone. As long as the standards are open and free to use there is no danger of abuse.

 

[SDH]

How is Tesla having dominant control of the charging market a "rising tide that lifts all boats?"

They control nearly 100% of the NACS charging market and are poised to dominate the development and buildout of the future market since OEMS are handing them over the cash instead of investing it in 3rd parties who don't have a dog in the fight.

That is my issue.

Let's examine the evidence:

Tesla supercharger network -> Excellent. Fast charging, always a load of stalls, good locations, rarely broken, payment taken directly.

EA, EVGo, Whatever other 3rd party charger -> Dog sh!t. They only ever seem to install 4-6 charging units in most locations, its 50/50 which ones work, payment system is also temperamental, need to download 3rd party apps and then also check on Plugshare. Unreliable at best.

I'm so glad Tesla are "poised to dominate the development and buildout of future charging market". They've done a pretty good job so far. Certainly don't want to rely on EA.

 

[av8or]

If there wasn’t Tesla or the supercharger network where would we be in this transition? The answer is almost nowhere. If we really want to switch to a sustainable energy economy and lower emissions then we need to use everything we can. If manufacturers want to move to NACS and that bothers you, you can go with a different manufacturer. If they all move to NACS then your choice would be to go with a CPO other than Tesla and give your money to them. If that still isn’t enough I guess you can hang on to your ICE and keep sending the money to, you know, the good guys over at “big oil”.

 

[zajak1]

I'm super curious that many still don't believe the CT is coming. Yeah, behind schedule and all the other issues...but do you truly believe it's not coming?

I'm not be facetious either, I'm genuinely interested in the answer.

I think it’s definitely coming but pricing will be eye popping which will piss most reservation holders crazy…and no way you see 350k/yr units being produced…
CT will appeal to a much smaller sliver of the EV truck mkt…
It’s a statement few will want to make IMO

 

[COdogman]

NACS is capable of 1000 v

How many Tesla chargers function at 1000v?

 

[COdogman]

Let's examine the evidence:

Tesla supercharger network -> Excellent. Fast charging, always a load of stalls, good locations, rarely broken, payment taken directly.

EA, EVGo, Whatever other 3rd party charger -> Dog sh!t. They only ever seem to install 4-6 charging units in most locations, its 50/50 which ones work, payment system is also temperamental, need to download 3rd party apps and then also check on Plugshare. Unreliable at best.

I'm so glad Tesla are "poised to dominate the development and buildout of future charging market". They've done a pretty good job so far. Certainly don't want to rely on EA.

Those are anecdotes, not evidence.

 

[uthatch]

I think it’s definitely coming but pricing will be eye popping which will piss most reservation holders crazy…and no way you see 350k/yr units being produced…
CT will appeal to a much smaller sliver of the EV truck mkt…
It’s a statement few will want to make IMO

Sure, and that’s all open to debate and time will tell. But when I think of something that is vaporwear, the reason I made my comment, I cannot classify the CT that category. It’s coming. Details and results we’ll see, but it’s coming. So when it’s used as an example of vaporwear, I scratch my head, hence my question.

I was not starting another CT spec or success debate.

 

[zajak1]

Let's examine the evidence:

Tesla supercharger network -> Excellent. Fast charging, always a load of stalls, good locations, rarely broken, payment taken directly.

EA, EVGo, Whatever other 3rd party charger -> Dog sh!t. They only ever seem to install 4-6 charging units in most locations, its 50/50 which ones work, payment system is also temperamental, need to download 3rd party apps and then also check on Plugshare. Unreliable at best.

I'm so glad Tesla are "poised to dominate the development and buildout of future charging market". They've done a pretty good job so far. Certainly don't want to rely on EA.

I don’t disagree but I do not to have anything to do with Elon…and I’m sure I’m not alone..
There needs to be competition in the charging world, no different than gas stations…
I think the best outcome is to manufacture EVs that take multiple chargers..
I also think EA and others need to figure out a better way to run the company…
So much oppty….

 

[dfx]

Not just starbucks - but like literally everything especially on the freeway. EV owners have to kill time. That means they can spend time and money in your establishment.

It is nonsensical that they aren't adding DCFS simply as a good business practice.

Sheetz has been rolling out DCFS at their stations for a while now. It'll take them a bit more time but they'll have them at every station eventually

 

[dfx]

All that really care about is that I can get a fast charge for my Rivian when I'm on the road. I don't care if I get it from Electrify America, Tesla Supercharger, or Burger King. I just want a dependable fast charge. This is the single issue that will make Electric Vehicles mainstream.

We love driving our Rivian. It is probably the best pick-up truck available. The only problem with our R1T is its range when pulling our Airstream Travel Trailer. If the Tesla Supercharger System were to become readily available for our use, our problem would be solved.

When an NACS to CCS adapter becomes available, we will get one and be on our way down the road. We do not particularly care who is making money on our charging sessions as we do not care who is making money on our Diesel fuel purchases. We just want the same convenience for our EV as we have always had for our ICE vehicle.

Brian

Indeed! I think this is what 95% of us want

 

[Tahoe Man]

CCS was terrible from the start. Terrible rollout, terrible reliability, terrible design. How many times can someone write "I unplugged and moved my truck/car to try a different charger".

The charging port and handle is ridiculous, Sandy agrees too.

Look how bad it got that even GM and Ford jumped ship, they did the right thing. Hopefully Rivian does too and redo their RAN chargers to the Tesla plug.

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