Top 5 Reasons Switching to a Tesla Dominated NACS Standard is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer

[COdogman]

There are several for the Tesla semi.
Others will be added as needed.
How many CCS chargers function at 1000v?

There are supposedly approximately 1000 800v chargers available in the US and Europe. I Know Tesla only has 1 and it’s located in the Netherlands.

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[Guy]

To support aging LEAFs. I don’t really want a repeat of that clusterfuck with CCS/NACS.

I would just switch the slots for Chademo with the NACS since there must be very few old Leafs out there now going on road trips with there <100 mile range.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I agree that it is a colossal mistake.

The last thing any of us wanted was to continue to have multiple standards in North America.

We didn't want the charging standard to dictate what charger we stopped at, and instead we could decide based on speed/cost/reliability/etc.

I likely would have stopped at Superchargers with the hyperdock where I accepted slightly higher cost in exchange for higher reliability.

But, with Ford and GM switching it derails a move to a single standard.

So purchasing an EV in North America will continue to be fragmented where the most important aspect of an EV isn't the EV itself, but the charging standards supported.

We were on a path to have a single CCS standard where Tesla was testing the magicdock in the US, and the federal goverment was pouring money into fast chargers with CCS ports. But, this path has been massively derailed.

I don't expect Kia/Hyundai/BMW/MB/Audi/Porsche to switch to the NACS standard.

Tesla owners already had CCS support using a NACS to CCS adapter and they worked well enough that it was pretty common to see a Tesla at an EA station during the time when EA stations were free due to upgrades.

What we needed was a CCS to NACS dongle to be available for purchase, but what we got instead was invite only access to NACS.

 

[True Grit]

Isn’t the entire debate here how companies can get access to the $7.5bn in IRA funding

 

[RivAW]

Top 5 Reasons Switching to a NACS Port is a Colossal Mistake for the Consumer:

1.) It will limit innovation: Tesla's system, by design, is limited to 500v. CCS can support 1000v architecture. All of these companies developing 800v architecture for their next generation models, including Rivian, would effectively be forced to go back to 400 or 500v. That means that you will have a significantly slower charging speed vs. a comparable CCS system.

Edit: As others have pointed out, the NACS system has a theoretical capability to achieve 1000v but there are no existing working Superchargers that have this capability and Elon Musk has repeatedly stated Tesla has no plans to support an 800v architecture.

Edit 2: Even though NACS theoretically has the capability for bi-directional charging, meaning you can charge your home in case of a power outage, Elon Musk has stated he doesn't support that and has no plans to ever implement that.

2.) It will cost more: Elon Musk wants to make money off of you, and the OEMS could care less: Please remember this fact. Non-Tesla vehicles are charged significantly more for using a Supercharger than native Tesla owners. That will never change.

3.) It will create a tiered class system: Tesla will always, and I mean always, prioritize its own customers when it comes to user support and user experience. This is the only way they will incentivize future owners to buy Tesla in the future. When the proverbial shit hits the fan, Tesla will turn around and blame the OEM for not implementing a software change, or hardware update, etc. Welcome to the world of Apple (Tesla) vs. Android (CCS).

4.) It will create a degraded and inefficient user experience: All existing Tesla Superchargers are designed with cabling, stall positions, and architecture for Tesla vehicles. Non-Tesla vehicles do not have the ports in the correct position which means you can either not charge at all, or you have to block another charger by positioning your non-Tesla vehicle at an awkward angle. If your vehicle supports 800v architecture like the Kia EV6, you will have significantly decreased charging speed. This cannot be easily addressed by an adapter.

5.) It invites a madman into your vehicle: You are allowing Elon Musk, purveyor of chaos and who single handedly destroyed Twitter to control your charging experience. Elon Musk will always prioritize his interests and the interests of Tesla. Irrespective of any agreements, all other OEMs are competitors. Imagine the information he can obtain from your vehicle, driver history, specifications, charging curves, etc. by controlling the charging experience. He will absolutely use that information to the advantage of Tesla and to the detriment of every other OEM.

So basically you are politically opposed and are making up “facts” or at least skewing them to your point…retty much all nonsense

 

[SASSquatch]

So basically you are politically opposed and are making up “facts” or at least skewing them to your point…retty much all nonsense

Your response says absolutely nothing. If you are going to challenge me, challenge with counterpoints not weak dismissives.

 

[COdogman]

So basically you are politically opposed and are making up “facts” or at least skewing them to your point…retty much all nonsense

 

[COdogman]

Isn’t the entire debate here how companies can get access to the $7.5bn in IRA funding

Not really. That has actually already been settled and passed and CCS was declared the standard. Even Elon was on board with it.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/02/15/white-house-confirms-nevi-requirements-gets-tesla-on-board/

 

[Joel]

I wonder if Ford and GM have looked at it from engineering side/ cost analysis and determined it was cheaper and easier to implement into a larger variety of vehicles than a CCS1 port.

 

[NineElectrics]

If every EA station currently has two cables and only one can be used at a time seems like an easy cable change.

Two cables are there for redundancy in case of breakage. If they have different connectors, that redundancy is gone and I suspect station reliability will go down. You could solve this by having everyone carry an adapter, but I'm not sure everyone will.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I wonder if Ford and GM have looked at it from engineering side/ cost analysis and determined it was cheaper and easier to implement into a larger variety of vehicles than a CCS1 port.

If they are world models they still need to accommodate CCS2, which makes this whole argument stupid, especially when GM said they want to make world class vehicles.

 

[RivianNowPlz]

The butt hurt is real in these threads. Hot damn. Hot tip.. breath deep breaths and just let it happen. You’re welcome.

 

[SASSquatch]

The butt hurt is real in these threads. Hot damn. Hot tip.. breath deep breaths and just let it happen. You’re welcome.

Great advice from someone who clearly speaks from experience.

Thanks for posting.

 

[COdogman]

The butt hurt is real in these threads. Hot damn. Hot tip.. breath deep breaths and just let it happen. You’re welcome.

 

[izgoy]

You know that's not really a rebuttal right? Why bother if all you're going to do in response to his post is to plug your ears and say nuh uh?

Because it’s complete nonsense. Anyone who knows a fair amount about EVs knows it’s nonsense. If you don’t know it’s nonsense, you can Google each of these points and quickly educate yourself to see it’s nonsense. I don’t need to spend half an hour writing an essay, while the Internet is replete with the information that rebuffs every one of these points, except #5, which I called out.

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