? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard! (Adapters in 2024, Standard Charging Port in 2025)

[Grabs10]

I don’t think Tesla will be going after any NEVI money at this point unless the idiots up top switch the law to allow NACS connectors. Not enough money in NEVI to make it worthwhile when the supercharger Network has a potential value of 100 billion. More money to be made off customers of Ford, GM, Rivian, and any other manufacture that smartens up then there would be for Tesla to go after NEVI funding by installing Magic docks.

I hope Tesla kills the magic dock and sells adaptors to customers with CCS ports if they want to use the superchargers. More money for Tesla to sell adapters then it would be installing magic docks.

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[MDH]

Perhaps. But this quick adoption by so many companies looks like a massive overload of the Telsa Supercharger vehicle capacity to me when 2024 comes. Telsa owners should be getting pissed right now.

I own a Y and am not pissed. The network is growing rapidly and frankly there aren't that many Rivians, Fords or GMs out there yet.

 

[Birdowin]

who needs RAN when you can have access to all the tesla supercharger? They might as well stop making RAN

I believe that RAN is based on the infrastructure that is available in a given area. I bought a Tesla-tap mini adapter so I can use Tesla 240v chargers anyplace that has them for free.

 

[MDH]

And how much will the Adapter be for those of us Rivian Early Adapters? I know there are after market converters out there, and will these be ones that Rivian recommends or will they require a Rivian to Tesla adapter?

$100, $200, $400...do you really care? I don't.

 

[Deacon]

Considering how fast that Tesla is rolling these things out, I think we'll be fine. Seriously. You need to look. There are over 50 NEW sites just this month, with hundreds of plugs:

https://supercharge.info/changes


It wouldn't surprise me if that was more than the entire rest of the industry combined.



That is tremendously misleading unless you have a Tesla with included free charging. It on average is about $0.10 - $0.20 more per kw than competitors such as EA or Blink.

Here is a thread on TMC about just this topic. It branches off to different ones if you want to read more about it.

This is a convenience play, not a cost saver.

That’s OK - I want the Tesla SC for convenience when traveling. 90% of my charging is done at home - The supercharges will fill in the charging ”deserts” when traveling. I will gladly pay extra for the convenience of the SC.

 

[RWerksman]

That’s OK - I want the Tesla SC for convenience when traveling. 90% of my charging is done at home - The supercharges will fill in the charging ”deserts” when traveling. I will gladly pay extra for the convenience of the SC.

Me too, my dude. Me too...

 

[Ozmt]

Reuters

Exclusive: EV maker Rivian to adopt Tesla's charging standard

SAN FRANCISCO, June 20 (Reuters) - Electric vehicle maker Rivian (RIVN.O) said it has agreed to adopt Tesla's (TSLA.O) charging standard, giving customers access to the biggest U.S. charging network and adding momentum to Tesla's bid to set the industry standard.

Customers of Rivian, which has its own small network of fast chargers, will be able to access 12,000 Tesla Superchargers with adapters in the United States and Canada as early as spring 2024, the company said. Rivian also said it would make a Tesla-style charging port standard on its vehicles, starting in 2025.

Tesla has struck comparable deals in recent weeks with General Motors (GM.N) and Ford (F.N). While other automakers get access to Tesla's charging network, Tesla stands to profit from selling power to a bigger group of electric vehicle drivers.

Shares of Irvine, California-based Rivian rose about 3% in premarket trading. Tesla shares, which are up more than 40% since late May when the leading U.S. electric carmaker announced its deal with Ford, were 0.5% higher.

Automakers need access to reliable charging to allay customers' fears of being stranded when a battery runs out of power, but most, with the exception of Tesla, have stayed away from building their own networks.

Installing a network of chargers - and maintaining them - requires substantial investment for still-limited returns because of the relatively small number of EVs automakers other than Tesla have on the road, analysts have said.

Tesla's Superchargers account for about 60% of the total fast chargers available in the United States, according to U.S. Department of Energy.

Services and other revenue, which includes the fees for using Tesla's Superchargers, made up just under 10% of revenue in the past quarter. The company does not break out charging revenue alone.

Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe said in a statement the deal would let buyers of Rivian electric pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles "leverage Tesla's expansive Supercharger network."

Tesla has made major strides in displacing a rival standard known as the Combined Charging System (CCS) that had the earlier backing of the Biden administration, which is offering $7.5 billion in funding to speed the deployment of EV chargers in the United States.

Qualifying for some of that federal money had required Tesla to open up its network for charging.

Tesla's charging standard had been proprietary until November, when it made the design and specifications public and rebranded the technology as the North American Charging Standard (NACS).

"It's great to see the industry coming together to adopt the North American Charging Standard," Tesla's senior director of charging infrastructure, Rebecca Tinucci, said in a statement.

Manufacturers and operators of CCS chargers such as ABB E-mobility North America, a unit of Swiss industrial firm ABB (ABBN.S), Tritium DCFC (DCFC.O), EVgo (EVGO.O) and FreeWire have raced to announce the addition of NACS plugs to their charging stations since the Ford and GM announcements.

Rivian, which makes the R1T pickup truck and the R1S SUV, will continue to expand its own charging network, the company said. The company had previously said it plans to build more than 3,500 charging stations.

China, the world's largest market for electric vehicles, has its own charging standard. Automakers in Japan such as Toyota (7203.T) and Nissan (7201.T) have pushed another standard known as CHAdeMo.

The email I received from rivian was exactly like above EXCEPT there was no mention, zero, of making nacs standard in 2025. Might that happen? Of course it might but again, no mention of a nacs change in 2025 at all. IS THIS FAKE NEWS? Anyone get any real info from rivian stating a nacs change coming. I've only received the opposite, with the exception o of the nacs charging adapter.

 

[NC-Rivian]

Really? How many Tesla SC sites charge as low as $0.36/kWh.

Tesla chargers, don’t charge a fixed rate. You were charged on the rate of kilowatt hour delivery. The faster, your vehicle charges, the higher, the cost.

 

[SamDoe1]

I hope that this pushes Rivian to pivot the RAN away from normal cities to more underserved and remote areas. The supercharger network will cover most highways and travelled routes in the country but it would be great to have good charging at national parks, off road areas, and other recreational sites. Would also be good to send resources to adding L2 chargers to places like boat launches, camp grounds, etc where trucks are parked for extended periods of time.

No need for a RAN charger in any urban area anymore.

 

[Dark-Fx]

The email I received from rivian was exactly like above EXCEPT there was no mention, zero, of making nacs standard in 2025. Might that happen? Of course it might but again, no mention of a nacs change in 2025 at all. IS THIS FAKE NEWS? Anyone get any real info from rivian stating a nacs change coming. I've only received the opposite, with the exception o of the nacs charging adapter.

There were two different e-mails sent out depending on if you were are a current or future customer. I was both.

Honestly I don't know why they wouldn't have told current owners that they are moving forward with the NACS as standard. Seems incredibly disingenuous to have multiple versions like this.

 

[SamDoe1]

Tesla chargers, don’t charge a fixed rate. You were charged on the rate of kilowatt hour delivery. The faster, your vehicle charges, the higher, the cost.

This is dependent on state laws. Most states allow for charging at a per kWh rate but some states mandate a certain cost per kWh so then they charge for time at a speed.

 

[docwhiz]

This is FAKE news!! None of this companies are really switching to NCAS. This is just to sure up the weak positions of these companies and raise stock margins in the near term. The Supercharger network is opening up to all vehicles regardless of these verbal agreements.

Telsa has to open up 3500 supercharges by the end of 2024 per their agreement with the federal government. This is why all of these "agreements" are for 2025. This gives Tesla time to add an additional CCS cable to their supercharges like they have in Europe. This is what the magic dock research and development is all about

It will be at this point when all of the non-Tesla car manufacturers will state that the access to charging stations issue has been resolved and there is no longer a need to switch to the NACS port on their vehicles since they can charge using an adaptor or the Tesla supplied CCS cable and connector at Tesla superchargers. This will cut down on the manufacturing cost and will protect the hundreds of thousands of CCS owners into the future.

Win Win for everyone.

NACS is cheaper to install on vehicles. Fewer wires, simpler plug.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

RAN openings will probably get even slower.

Not necessarily. RAN can still cater to use case it was aiming for from the start: adventure. This will free them up to focus on locations where Tesla is not found.

 

[NC-Rivian]

So the adapter will come in spring 2024…
Is that the date we’ll be able to use the SC network? Or when will that be?
As we already can get an adapter why not start from today?

My hunch is that Tesla is working on a universal adapter to be used by all non-Tesla manufacturers, and they will be dropped at the same time. There probably needs to be some sort of identification chip embedded in the adapter tied to your VIN to communicate with the the SC when you plug-in.

 

[scottf200]

The email I received from rivian was exactly like above EXCEPT there was no mention, zero, of making nacs standard in 2025. Might that happen? Of course it might but again, no mention of a nacs change in 2025 at all. IS THIS FAKE NEWS? Anyone get any real info from rivian stating a nacs change coming. I've only received the opposite, with the exception o of the nacs charging adapter.

Hopefully, the deal with Tesla with Ford and Rivian require them to move the charge port to the front right (or rear left) otherwise they will waste charging space.

GM sliverado showed theirs in the rear left (like Tesla).

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