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Hey all, I had the opportunity to check out (but not drive) the upcoming Volvo EX90 SUV in a closer to production model today at South Bay Volvo. These are my impressions:

TLDR: In my opinion, the R1S is a more compelling and better vehicle in nearly every way.

Exterior
I liked the overall design and styling. The Thor headlights are cool, and the horizontal lights hide away in DRL mode and when parked. The light greeting is fine. The wheels this trim had was the most aerodynamic one and it looked fine. They were running Scorpion all-season tires. There will be other wheel options. They had swatches for interior and exterior colors and fabrics. Sadly, it looked like exterior colors were black, white, and five shades of gray. Hopefully they'll eventually have some more fun and interesting colors in the configurator. The trunk liftgate wasn't split like on the R1S, but was powered open/shut (same with the frunk).

Interior
The seats were a gray wool blend with some cream vegan leather in the headrests. They will also have a full vegan leather option in black and cream. The seats were comfortable with lumbar support, and also some nice side bolsters (similar to my BMW sport seats). The main screen was vertical and clear, while the driver screen was horizontal and smaller than the one in the R1. The driver screen moves with the manual telescopic steering wheel. They also had a pretty large cavity in the dash in front of the driver that was supposed to be for the heads up display, which was turned off for the demo. Two cupholders in the front by the main screen. There was decent storage under the cupholders and between the seats, similar to the R1 but perhaps a little smaller. The center armrest had less storage too. They had a wheel in the center for interacting with the infotainment system, and it was of lower quality than the ones for BMW’s iDrive. The rest of the materials were fine. The second and third row seats seemed to have less room on the shoulders and legs than the R1S. The 2nd row seats reclined but less than the R1S, and the third row seats have powered folding up and down. The 2nd and 3rd row seats can all fold flat. The storage behind the 3rd row is roughly the same size but perhaps less in height than the R1S. I didn’t see any plugs in the trunk or frunk. The frunk was tiny, where you could probably store the charging cables and a purse. The window washer fluid spout had a built-in funnel which was cool. The trunk had some space underneath, but less than in the R1S. Overall, definitely a minimalistic Swedish design, except for the steering wheel which had an unusually large number of buttons. The steering wheel itself was nice and comfortable though. They had a glass panoramic roof similar to the R1S, and a glovebox which they wouldn't open for me.

Infotainment
They had 5G! They also had apps for Amazon Prime Video and YouTube, with more entertainment options coming. The sound system was a ~26 speaker Bowers and Wilkins sound system that sounds better than on the XC90. They had a read display similar to the R1S, but smaller, with all the climate controls for the 2nd row.

Specifications
I don't remember the exact power and torque numbers, but they were roughly 40-50% less than the R1S. It had 111 kW total battery capacity and charges from 10-80% in ~30 mins. They said they'll have a dual-motor and a dual motor performance variant. Both will have ~300 miles of range. The display in the demo I was in showed 302 miles left with 90% battery. The charging port is at the rear driver's side, similar to where you'd fill up gas, and it had the same connections as the R1S. They said the 2024 EX90 will need an adaptor to connect to Tesla superchargers, whereas the 2025 EX90 will natively have NACS. I asked about different drive modes and they said it's 1 pedal driving with regen, so I don't think they understood my question. They also mentioned that there will be an optional tow package that allows for ~4800 lbs.

Unfortunately, I was not able to drive it yet, but overall it's a nice vehicle that seemed well made. But, at a price of "~$80k well optioned", I think the R1S is a far more compelling vehicle. The EX90 overall has less interior cabin room, and much less storage than the R1S. The R1S has many more drive modes, active suspension, and more performance in every way. They said they'll have an EX90 configurator available sometime by the end of the year, and the vehicle will be out sometime next year.
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I have the R1T. My wife would not do the R1S. She said it’s taller than she wants and is higher off the ground. She is in love with the ex90 (if is ever comes out)

She really wants to go back to a 6-7 passenger EV. She had a model x for about 2 months and was not a fan at all so went to the ioniq 5 until Volvo can make the vehicle.

I am sad that we don’t have the double rivians in the driveway.
 
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I have the R1T. My wife would not do the R1S. She said it’s taller than she wants and is higher off the ground. She is in love with the ex90 (if is ever comes out)

She really wants to go back to a 6-7 passenger EV. She had a model x for about 2 months and was not a fan at all so went to the ioniq 5 until Volvo can make the vehicle.

I am sad that we don’t have the double rivians in the driveway.
The R1S is certainly higher off the ground. But, I got some running boards installed on it, and now it’s easier to get in/out of than the EX90 was. Just something to consider if that’s a problem for your wife.

One additional thing I noticed was that when the EX90 frunk is open, it seems to open wider than on the R1S. Same with the liftgate. That’s how I felt, and I could be wrong since I didn’t take any measurements.
 

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I have the R1T. My wife would not do the R1S. She said it’s taller than she wants and is higher off the ground. She is in love with the ex90 (if is ever comes out)

She really wants to go back to a 6-7 passenger EV. She had a model x for about 2 months and was not a fan at all so went to the ioniq 5 until Volvo can make the vehicle.

I am sad that we don’t have the double rivians in the driveway.
my wife's only gripe about our R1S is the height. It is half an inch taller than our XC90 that the Rivian replaced, even with Kneel mode. I heard there may be running boards by Rivian but for now only aftermarket.
 

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The biggest drawback of the R1S versus the other 3-row EVs hitting the market is poor efficiency (requires a large battery to hit the same range) and slow DC charging.

I'm willing to live with the lower efficiency if they can get the 10%-80% charging down to 30 minutes. The current 45 minutes is too long compared to the competition.
 

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I have the R1T. My wife would not do the R1S. She said it’s taller than she wants and is higher off the ground. She is in love with the ex90 (if is ever comes out)

She really wants to go back to a 6-7 passenger EV. She had a model x for about 2 months and was not a fan at all so went to the ioniq 5 until Volvo can make the vehicle.

I am sad that we don’t have the double rivians in the driveway.
We might be married to the same person (all the same complaints, and wants a 3 row even though we might use it once a year purely out of convenience, not necessity). I really wanted double Rivians too. For now she has and ID.4. We have a very early EX90 reservation, so hoping it will be here late next year.
 

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The EX90 has one critical item that is my sole reason for dropping my Rivian reservation: No local, to me, Service Centers. I expect as an early adopter to visit a Service Center a few times. However, the closest SC to me is a 90-minute trip each way (assuming OK traffic on I-95 in Virginia.). Having several Volvo dealership for service near me and one only 10 miles from my home is key.

The area between DC and Richmond has an EV for maybe 1-in-10 vehicles. Maybe more. This is a major EV market. I see tons of Telsa, Kia, Ford EVs. I have yet to see a Rivian.

I truly want a Rivian. I will love owning a Rivian. I just don't have the time for running a Rivian round-trip to the Service Center and some number of days later to round-trip again for picking it up.

This is not meant to be negative because the Rivian is a great vehicle and the price for what you get (even at the new pricing) exceptional. Let's hope for another Rivian SC between Washington DC and Richmond sometime so that I can purchase one (or more) and be happy.

By the way, I have owned a 2022 Mach E for a year and 10K miles and not one issue. Not one. It has been perfect.

One last comment: How could Rivian choose to have 2 SCs in Tennessee (no knock at Tennessee, you're lucky to have 2 however) and one in the DC and Virginia area. This area has the highest disposable income in the nation. Just does not seem to be common sense marketing.
 
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The biggest drawback of the R1S versus the other 3-row EVs hitting the market is poor efficiency (requires a large battery to hit the same range) and slow DC charging.

I'm willing to live with the lower efficiency if they can get the 10%-80% charging down to 30 minutes. The current 45 minutes is too long compared to the competition.
How often do you use fast chargers? On the few times a year I take my R1T on a long road trip the extra 10 minutes or so doesn’t seem like a big deal to me. I charge at home so slightly slower charge times is a non-event.
 
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When I travel, I’m usually limited by the speed of the charger and not the speed at which the vehicle can charge (RAN excluded).
 

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The 10-80% times are always DCFC. If it takes Rivian 45 min versus 30 min for some other EV, then over the range of 500 miles (distance usually traveled by most drivers in a day during a road trip), it requires a single charge to make the distance with Rivian.

It may require two stops with EVs with less than 300 mile EPS range, since the real world range varies significantly due to topology and speed. This assumes you start with full charge initially.

So over the 500 miles, in this example, it takes you 15 min longer than some other EV that can charge bit faster. And maybe even faster, if another vehicle has to make an additional stop.

At the end of 500 miles, the driving day is done and can be charged at any rate getting ready for the next day so that's a non-issue.

It seems to me that this small time differential is not consequential for the most part. Having used EV (Tesla) for many, many road trips, it does require more planning ahead of time and synchronizing nature breaks, lunch and other things that one would do regardless of EV or ICE vehicle really frames the total time.

Obviously, in an ICE, gas stop is quick and if you bring food with you, then clearly it would much faster than any EVs.
 

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How often do you use fast chargers? On the few times a year I take my R1T on a long road trip the extra 10 minutes or so doesn’t seem like a big deal to me. I charge at home so slightly slower charge times is a non-event.
Compared to our EQS SUV, our R1T adds about 60-75 minutes to our total charging time, driving from Colorado Springs to Phoenix. This is a road trip we make 1-2 times per year.

Not the end of the world, but it would be nice to see Rivian improve charging time. Their peak speed is sufficient. They simply need to hold the higher speeds closer to the 80% level.
 

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The EX90 has one critical item that is my sole reason for dropping my Rivian reservation: No local, to me, Service Centers. I expect as an early adopter to visit a Service Center a few times. However, the closest SC to me is a 90-minute trip each way (assuming OK traffic on I-95 in Virginia.). Having several Volvo dealership for service near me and one only 10 miles from my home is key.

The area between DC and Richmond has an EV for maybe 1-in-10 vehicles. Maybe more. This is a major EV market. I see tons of Telsa, Kia, Ford EVs. I have yet to see a Rivian.

I truly want a Rivian. I will love owning a Rivian. I just don't have the time for running a Rivian round-trip to the Service Center and some number of days later to round-trip again for picking it up.

This is not meant to be negative because the Rivian is a great vehicle and the price for what you get (even at the new pricing) exceptional. Let's hope for another Rivian SC between Washington DC and Richmond sometime so that I can purchase one (or more) and be happy.

By the way, I have owned a 2022 Mach E for a year and 10K miles and not one issue. Not one. It has been perfect.

One last comment: How could Rivian choose to have 2 SCs in Tennessee (no knock at Tennessee, you're lucky to have 2 however) and one in the DC and Virginia area. This area has the highest disposable income in the nation. Just does not seem to be common sense marketing.
I live 185 miles to the nearest Rivian service center and have three Ford Service centers within 20 miles of me and despite this the Rivian has had a much better service experience. My Mach-E struggles to het the cabin and keep the windows defrosted in temperatures below 10F to which there has been no fix. My F150 lightning has bricked on me and was a month in getting the entire battery replaced with under 5K on the odometer, currently the rear lightbar containing the back-up lights has water intrusion and quit working and parts have been on backorder for 2+ months so I can't legally drive it. Also the bi derectional charger came late and had connectivity problems and wouldn't work for 2 months. My local Ford service is clueless about EV's and gives out patently false info that is easily disproven. My friends Mach-E quit charging and the dealer blamed the aftermarket EVSE for over a month I finally had to help her out by proving to them that it was the overtemp sensor in the charging port which took another month to get installed.
Rivian has had only trivial issues and service has gone out of their way to come to me with loaners and pick up and drop off my R1T at my convenience.
 

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I'm sorry to hear you are having heat issues and I'm glad you travel without issue.

However, I don't have issues with heating and I don't want to travel 180 miles.

Best wishes for you doing what works for you, I am conveying what works for me.
 

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my wife's only gripe about our R1S is the height. It is half an inch taller than our XC90 that the Rivian replaced, even with Kneel mode. I heard there may be running boards by Rivian but for now only aftermarket.
When talking of vehicle bottom height we have to think, Is that height of vehicle clearance or height to bottom of floor (where feet go) or even height to door threshold? My wife’s issue with the R1S is the floor is so height because the battery and it has good ground clearance it makes it tonight to step in. Where the xc models have a lower foot floor. (Hopefully that makes since)

with an ICE vehicle it may have decent ground clearance (height) but there is a step down into the foot well of the vehicle because there isn’t a battery underneath.

so it’s the height to step into the floor of the vehicle that’s the issue. Unfortunately her mind is now made up so even running boards won’t change her mind. Haha
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