R1S vs Model Y in mud

[rhuber]

Plz follow me into this mud in your Model Y, for science.

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[Donald Stanfield]

drive on water, R1T will sink faster than Y

Not the Cybertruck though, I heard you can use it as a boat.

 

[Chewy734]

Tires definitely make a huge difference.

On my RWD BMW sedan, in my first winter in MN, I was on my sport tires and had difficulty getting up my almost flat driveway, because the temperature dropped and flurries just started.

After switching to Blizzaks, it drove better on ice and snow and below 0 temps than my AWD Durango on all-seasons. Proper tires are everything in these kinds of situations.

 

[Chewy734]

Not the Cybertruck though, I heard you can use it as a boat.

Keep some paddles, just in case though, right?

 

[CrazyOne]

I bet you a $100, any one of these would do better than either of your vehicles on those specific tires. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_Botswana_Special

 

[dleepnw]

If the impression is that I was blaming Rivian, that is not my intention. I was merely stating in the same conditions that the Model Y was much much easier to get out of a bad situation. I do think the problem is primarily the weight difference vs tire footprint, and yes, for mud, in this situation, it is the reason the Model Y was "better".

Do everyone here just automatically think the Rivian is superior? Is this forum really that fan-boyish?

To anyone offering genuine advice, I appreciate it. To those just flinging insults, have a nice day.

it'd be one thing to state the conditions objectively but adding notes about other issues and service gives off the blaming Rivian vibe. just sayin.

so did you take the exact same line back to back with the vehicles? if so, which went first? what drive mode in the R1S? did they MY go all the way to the same spot where the R1S got stuck? what tires on the MY? how did you eventually get the R1S out? recovery boards or maybe you used the wood planks in the pics?

certainly weight is an issue. torque is extremely high in the R1S so i could see a situation where you "dig in" faster with the Rivian than the MY without realizing it.

 

[graemebshaw]

At the risk of perhaps opening another can of worms, I wonder if the M-Y's open diff (combined with its lighter weight) might also have been an advantage compared to the 4-motor R1S, which as we know results in all four wheel slipping in low-traction. The open-diff on the M-Y would have caused the lowest-traction wheel to spin (and bury itself), but the lower torque on the other wheel might have allowed it to bite without spinning.

And FWIW, I think you all were a little harsh with the OP. Read his original post again, and with the exception of his first and last sentence, only really stated what happened to him and didn't give much of an opinion. Everyone is always so eager to criticize each other. Empathy is apparently not a valued virtue anymore...

 

[jjswan33]

Plz follow me into this mud in your Model Y, for science.

Sounds like a good way to fry some Tesla motors that won't be covered under warranty. Or does the MY function as a boat as well?

 

[rhuber]

And FWIW, I think you all were a little harsh with the OP. Read his original post again, and with the exception of his first and last sentence, only really stated what happened to him and didn't give much of an opinion. Everyone is always so eager to criticize each other. Empathy is apparently not a valued virtue anymore...

He wrote four sentences, so removing 2 is 50% of the sentences.

But also he came in reallllll hot with "Model Y hands down much better". I'm not sure what kind of reaction he was aiming for, but I think he got the one I would expect to see with such a broad, anecdotal, emotionally fueled statement like that as his lead-off.

 

[trez63]

I get that OP came out a little hot on his very first post, but if we roast everyone who criticises the R1 it will never get better.

 

[rhuber]

I get that OP came out a little hot on his very first post, but if we roast everyone who criticises the R1 it will never get better.

I haven't seen people reactive overly negatively here unless prodded by flame-y posts like this one. Also, what would you ask Rivian to change to make it better based on this criticism? Force everyone to buy 20" AT Mud+Snow rated tires?

I've openly criticized actual flaws in my vehicle and given feedback directly to the company. And they are receptive to it. This is not feedback, this is a tantrum based on frustration. We've all been there, and I empathize with the OP being stuck, but this has almost nothing to do with the vehicle itself. Being stuck totally sucks. But asserting that a Model Y is a better muddin' vehicle is, at best, really silly.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Keep some paddles, just in case though, right?

Well yeah first the cybertruck would have to exist.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Why did you include " Broken trim, broken steering wheel adjustment, broken A/C vents, inadequate A/C capacity, and a 60-day wait time for service: this vehicle continues to disappoint "?

These were completely unrelated to the stuck in mud comparison.

Mud is just one of many challenges that an off-road vehicle will face. Obviously its weight is going to impact its performance in that category.

I say this as someone who criticizes Rivian quite openly. It's far from a perfect car, and we should be vocal about what problems it has. But, I think you should have stuck to one topic.

 

[GHuff]

Mud is a VERY common off road encounter. In my neck of the woods (and probably most of the country), mud is MUCH more common than rock crawling. I'm disappointed that the Rivian seems inferior in mud conditions.
I bet 99 out of 100 "stuck" vehicles in America are in mud, not rocks or steep hills.

Much of this is due to the physics of the vehicle. But still disheartening. Not sure what Rivian can do about it.

 

[Count Orlok]

mud spelled backwards...

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