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industry standard is that the motor is not firmly associated to a trim level
eh, arguable. EV "industry standard" seems to closely couple motor with what would generally be considered trim elsewhere

Model 3 RWD
Model 3 LRAWD
Model 3 Performance AWD

Each has a different motor configuration or different motor specs. Most would argue these are Tesla's implementation of trims

Companies like Rivian and Tesla are bucking a lot of legacy "industry trends," so not sure the comparison is always useful

Besides, you could just call QM an "option package" within a "trim" then (again, not sure making connections where there aren't strong ones makes much sense, but if we're doing it we're doing it)

Option packages come with features
Vehicles without the option package don't have the features
e.g. F-150 Lariat Mid vs Lariat High

Lastly, to make another random connection with how configurations work on an ICE vehicle that's unrelated to the R1, if 2 Ford Broncos have 2 different sets of drive modes, they're different trims. QM & DM have different drive modes. So...

TL;DR: I don't think you can argue that the contenting / decontenting of vehicles is standardized across the entire industry with respect to the combination of motors & features, trims & features, option packages & features... manufacturers all have different patterns here, and sometimes those patterns even differ from vehicle-to-vehicle within the same manufacturer.
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FYI, industry standard is that the motor is not firmly associated to a trim level. Here's the Build Now page for an ICE F150 XLT. I can choose 2.7L V6, 3.5L V6, or a 5.0L V8.

One trim level, 3 different amounts of power, 3 different costs.

Rivian offers one trim; Adventure. Just like Ford, Rivian offers 3 different motor options for their single trim level.

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If you go up high enough in trim level you can no longer get the shitty entry motor. The Quad is the Halo car, that's like the Platinum F150 and you cannot get the base motor in the Platinum.
 

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If you go up high enough in trim level you can no longer get the shitty entry motor. The Quad is the Halo car, that's like the Platinum F150 and you cannot get the base motor in the Platinum.
False. You can opt for either 400 hp, or 440 hp for... the same price ?

(All right fine, no upcharge on the motor thanks to an incentive. But still more than one motor offered).

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False. You can opt for either 400 hp, or 440 hp for... the same price ?

(All right fine, no upcharge on the motor thanks to an incentive. But still more than one motor offered).

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Hmmm, the 2.7L isn't available to select is it? Thanks for proving my point. Look at your first screenshot.
 

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Guys on here insisting their quad is a "different trim" have that I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS vibe.

Go go to the 3:20 mark

Or we are just right. Sorry it hurts your feelings but different cost, different performance, different badges does not mean same trim. Facts are facts.
 

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Or we are just right. Sorry it hurts your feelings but different cost, different performance, different badges does not mean same trim. Facts are facts.
It could certainly be argued that the max pack DM Performance is the "top trim". Most expensive, most range.

But then to make that argument would be pretty shallow, wouldn't it?. Why try to categorize people under you just for their battery and drivetrain choices?

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You call whining and calling me an asshole moving on? I guess that shouldn't surprise me considering you think trucks with an 8k dollar price difference are the same thing.
It could certainly be argued that the max pack DM Performance is the "top trim". Most expensive, most range.

But then to make that argument would be pretty shallow, wouldn't it?. Why try to categorize people under you just for their battery and drivetrain choices?

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That’s what I’ve been arguing with him since this problem began… It seems to be a rather classist approach in this rather “first world problem” conversation. Good luck.
 

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That’s what I’ve been arguing with him since this problem began… It seems to be a rather classist approach in this rather “first world problem” conversation. Good luck.
I have now forced him to go purchase the max pack DM, just so he can continue to gloat that he's top of the pack.
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It could certainly be argued that the max pack DM Performance is the "top trim". Most expensive, most range.

But then to make that argument would be pretty shallow, wouldn't it?. Why try to categorize people under you just for their battery and drivetrain choices?

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I'd be perfectly fine with specific gauges or modes for max pack orders because I'm not an entitled little child who has to feel included with every little thing everyone else has. If I wanted it I could go ahead and buy one. I don't need the range, but if Rivian wants to give max pack holders special modes they can go ahead. They probably SHOULD do so in fact because there isn't enough range to justify the extra cost.

Your little argument didn't really work out as well for you as you thought huh? The thing is you two are all up in your feels with your base model trucks and your FOMO. I'm actually arguing from a business standpoint and I'm not at all threatened about someone with a more expensive option getting something I didn't. If I cared about status the same way you two do with what you bought and needed to feel special about it I wouldn't be driving a Rivian, I'd be driving a Urus.
 

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Can’t forget the ascent package that he’ll then have to order right after he gets the max pack!
I will most likely get the ascent package. In fact, a few months ago I emailed my guide inquiring about a package like this. As I've been saying, Rivian needs to differentiate their models much more, whiny man children not withstanding.
 

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I have now forced him to go purchase the max pack DM, just so he can continue to gloat that he's top of the pack.
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Imagine thinking any one of us is "top of the pack" for a barely hundred thousand dollar car. Unlike you I don't derive status from my things.
 

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Imagine thinking any one of us is "top of the pack" for a barely hundred thousand dollar car. Unlike you I don't derive status from my things.
You’re such an elitist asshole at those point it’s almost comical.
 

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You’re such an elitist asshole at those point it’s almost comical.
I'm sorry you're so insecure about your purchasing power. Address that deficiency.
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