Rivian Adventure Network Update - Billing to begin Early November

[kyunam]

Calm down folks. The email did not mention what year they will implement the plan..

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[AbhorViolence]

Stock price being down doesn't all of the sudden mean they have less cash to spend.....

Right but more revenues for earnings may help the stock price.

 

[Supratachophobia]

To give you all a little idea just how much a DC fast charger costs. We have this little thing for commercial rate customers called the "demand charge". It's different than your residential rate which is only usually made up of your generation and transmission costs.


The demand charge basically says, "We need to know how much electricity to order from the coal power plant and since they need to be ready to guarantee it's available to use, regardless of if you use it, we need to charge you for the opportunity to use that much power."


So with my municipal electric co-op, it's $6 per kw. So if you have an 80amp Tesla level 2 charger, it's $6 * 20kw = $120, flat rate, before you even plug in. Now imagine a level 3 charger with 4 x 350kwh stalls..... Before they even deliver a kw of electricity, their demand charge is $6 * (350kw * 4 stalls) = $8400 at that site.

So you need to somehow work that cost into your sales. Subscriptions should help, or just build it into the per min/per kWh cost.

 

[WSea]

My nearest RAN is Sacramento … 2 hrs away. Used it twice and the RAN in Truckee twice. My estimate I’ve saved (got for free) about $100 of charge in total from them over the 10 months of ownership. Wow, lucky me! I’d pay $100 right now to fill my R1 with electrons at the same speed as a gas station.

I can’t believe how many people are so bummed because they’re not getting anything for free. I bet you lot are the kind of guys who take home extra napkins and plastic cutlery (and sauces) from a fast food restaurant just so you save of kitchen towels and washing up.

such an entitled lot… “I paid for a Rivian so I deserve my free charging …”.

Takers

Just a tad extreme. You and I had the opportunity. It’s ok to have some empathy towards those who didn’t

 

[ImAI]

finally!!!

I can't imaging investing in RIVN (long term) if they give away freebies worth probably millions of dollars on their balance sheet

 

[WSea]

To give you all a little idea just how much a DC fast charger costs. We have this little thing for commercial rate customers called the "demand charge". It's different than your residential rate which is only usually made up of your generation and transmission costs.


The demand charge basically says, "We need to know how much electricity to order from the coal power plant and since they need to be ready to guarantee it's available to use, regardless of if you use it, we need to charge you for the opportunity to use that much power."


So with my municipal electric co-op, it's $6 per kw. So if you have an 80amp Tesla level 2 charger, it's $6 * 20kw = $120, flat rate, before you even plug in. Now imagine a level 3 charger with 4 x 350kwh stalls..... Before they even deliver a kw of electricity, their demand charge is $6 * (350kw * 4 stalls) = $8400 at that site.

So you need to somehow work that cost into your sales. Subscriptions should help, or just build it into the per min/per kWh cost.

So what you’re saying is the issue is coal

 

[moosetags]

I never got a RAN charge, free or otherwise. None have been anywhere close to where we were. I realize that Rivian needs to start charging for this Service. I just hope the do a good job of maintaining their units.

Brian

 

[Forager]

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[SANZC02]

To give you all a little idea just how much a DC fast charger costs. We have this little thing for commercial rate customers called the "demand charge". It's different than your residential rate which is only usually made up of your generation and transmission costs.


The demand charge basically says, "We need to know how much electricity to order from the coal power plant and since they need to be ready to guarantee it's available to use, regardless of if you use it, we need to charge you for the opportunity to use that much power."


So with my municipal electric co-op, it's $6 per kw. So if you have an 80amp Tesla level 2 charger, it's $6 * 20kw = $120, flat rate, before you even plug in. Now imagine a level 3 charger with 4 x 350kwh stalls..... Before they even deliver a kw of electricity, their demand charge is $6 * (350kw * 4 stalls) = $8400 at that site.

So you need to somehow work that cost into your sales. Subscriptions should help, or just build it into the per min/per kWh cost.

You may want to read through here, seems like many places reduce or eliminate these charges for DCFC stations.

 

[ads75]

I have one half a mile from me and have used it once in 7 months.

I would hope most of us, if we have the ability to charge at home, would rather pay out of our own pockets than waste our time sitting at a charger. I would much rather have a charger near my brother or sister, who live two hours away, than one walking distance from my house, where I can charge.

 

[Dark-Fx]

You may want to read through here, seems like many places reduce or eliminate these charges for DCFC stations.

I highly suspect this is why lots of places are charging deserts, the power companies in those areas don't want to play ball on reducing their demand charges. The network operators don't want to pay tens of dollars per kWh when station use is light during a month.

 

[SACDFJC]

It has been a great run with the free RAN chargers for the last 18 months for me (thank you Rivian). I hit the Truckee RAN today and will hit it again before heading home. I will hit the Manteca RAN on the way home too! Hopefully the price of charging is low compared to EA, EVGo, etc. #NothingIsFreeForever

 

[CharonPDX]

Guess I have been lucky, ten free charges at six different RANs.

My current road trip has brought me up to 11 RANs visited now. :-D

 

[kizamybute']

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

The only thing I miss about my Tesla was that I had free supercharging for life.

With the RAN growing, was missing it less and less. Now, having to pay for it, I guess it was inevitable, but still sucks.

I guess my ICE cars will get some more use now on my long distance trips.

I've never loved the extra hour or two each way that having to stop to charge adds to each of my trips, but with free charging, that loss of time was the price paid. Now that I have to pay for it again, sacrificing that hour or two EACH WAY becomes a lot less attractive.

Yes, I know it's still cheaper to charge an EV than pay for gas, but EV charging prices keep going up that the difference is narrowing quite a bit. Add that to the fact that I can now make it to Tucson, AZ in 7 1/2 hours instead of 9 hrs 45 minutes round trip, that's nearly 5 hours of my life I just got back.

With a car that gets 40 MPG. I can travel 400 miles on 10 gallons of gas. Roughly $70.00.

In the Rivian, driving normal, flow of traffic speeds, that's basically two $30.00 EV America stops at $60.00. For $10 more, I save 4 1/2 hours travel time. That's 4 1/2 hours I can put toward my business, which I make significantly more than $2.00 per hour!! LOL.

I LOVE my EV 355 days of the year where I just plug in at home and wake up to a full charge each day. 10 years in a Tesla and now a year+ in the Rivian, still not a fan of long distance travel in an EV. Until cars regularly can go 500+ (REAL WORLD) miles on a charge, it's a significant time sacrifice when road tripping an EV.

Noting beats an EV for every day use, but when it comes to towing and long distance travel, we still have a ways to go to make it equally time efficient to a gas car.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I'm all for Rivian getting a revenue stream from their chargers. What I wish... Is they would roll some out in Canada ffs! Selfishly in BC, so I can experience the glory of a 220kW charge speed without driving 200km border inclusive, to experience it.

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