I changed my mind on Max Pack

[W1SE]

So I have owned my R1T for two years. I always thought the max pack idea was a waste. The 328 mile range has been great. From Washington I have driven to Utah and Idaho a few times. I always though the Max Pack was for newbies or those with serious range anxiety. Because charging is fine on trips and driving around town you never need the amount of range the large pack gives.

So here it is, My wife is looking for a new EV and we want it to take the family on more trips (6 of us). In the next 3 years we want to take the kids to many notable places in the west, among these places are Yellowstone, Redwoods, Vancouver Island, Grand Canyon, and Zion NP to name a few.

Even though I do fine with 328 miles i have realized with how charging curves work the 400 mile range on the R1S means 1/3 less stops. Over long distances this is a game changer. After thinking about all this my wife, who was NEVER going to get an R1S, realizes this is the only 6+ passenger vehicle that can do this. So we pick up our second Rivian next week.

I am so excited for the Max pack now.

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[WhisperPickle]

Have you looked at the range tests and charging curves for the max pack? You aren’t getting anywhere near 400 miles. You are looking at an EXTREMELY small increase over the large pack. Plus on road trips, how often will you wait on it to charge from 80%-100% on anything other than your initial charge?

 

[swhme]

Have you looked at the range tests and charging curves for the max pack? You aren’t getting anywhere near 400 miles. You are looking at an EXTREMELY small increase over the large pack. Plus on road trips, how often will you wait on it to charge from 80%-100% on anything other than your initial charge?

Yeah, I was fully onboard to get a max pack for my R1S, and then watched OOS Kyle’s range test videos and realized that it’s less than 30 miles of real world range increase. Not worth $10k to me.

 

[WhisperPickle]

Yeah, I was fully onboard to get a max pack for my R1S, and then watched OOS Kyle’s range test videos and realized that it’s less than 30 miles of real world range increase. Not worth $10k to me.

Yep, it’s insanity for $10k extra. Especially when the real world increase is so far off from the advertised theoretical maximum.

On road trips you’d have to spend well over an hour or more at each charging stop to take advantage of that theoretical maximum (which you still won’t touch at highway speeds).

 

[DuoRivians]

Have you looked at the range tests and charging curves for the max pack? You aren’t getting anywhere near 400 miles. You are looking at an EXTREMELY small increase over the large pack. Plus on road trips, how often will you wait on it to charge from 80%-100% on anything other than your initial charge?

OP isn’t talking about the extra highway range. OP is claiming the charging curve is faster versus the large pack. And the time savings from the better charging curve makes it worth it

 

[momo3605]

OP isn’t talking about the extra highway range. OP is claiming the charging curve is faster versus the large pack. And the time savings from the better charging curve makes it worth it

Does the max pack have a faster charging curve?

 

[DuoRivians]

Does the max pack have a faster charging curve?

I think it does. But not sure by how much.

 

[WhisperPickle]

OP isn’t talking about the extra highway range. OP is claiming the charging curve is faster versus the large pack. And the time savings from the better charging curve makes it worth it

I think he literally is also talking about the extra range on long trips. He mentions his wife’s range anxiety, not her concern about time at chargers.

But have you looked at the real world charging followed by range travelled comparisons? The large pack actually outperforms the max pack on usable range added/time charging when DC charging in spite of all the theoretical curves.

When it comes to real world usage you get virtually no advantage from the Max pack other than if you take the vehicle from 100% to 0% you get a 10-15% increase in range, which essentially disappears after that on road trips unless you don’t care about your charging times and are willing to sit and charge to 100% every time.

 

[WhisperPickle]

I think it does. But not sure by how much.

No. The test you can find on YouTube that supposedly shows the max pack charging faster is flawed because it only compares miles added per hour of charge and not kw….but that difference was likely down to difference in the calcs for the dual motor vs the quad.

The max pack has the exact same capacity as the large pack - therefore voltage is the same so it’s not charging any faster.

 

[Ed C]

It’s really kind of amusing how triggered some folks seem to be about the idea of someone else choosing to spend their own money to get the max pack.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Max pack has a cumulative time savings on road trips. If your taking a 500 mi road trip or more that time savings adds up. This will vary depending on the road trip.

Whether it's worth the upcharge is subjective. It's about an 8% increase in usable battery capacity over large pack.

 

[Golfer04]

It’s really kind of amusing how triggered some folks seem to be about the idea of someone else choosing to spend their own money to get the max pack.

Exactly. The "insane" adjective is thrown around so often on boards I can't stop laughing when I read it. My favorite sports board is even worse. Somebody has a use case different from theirs and it is insanity????‍

 

[rbrak29]

The max pack has the exact same capacity as the large pack - therefore voltage is the same so it’s not charging any faster.

Max Pack 6% bigger

135 (131 useable) vs 149 (141 useable)

More efficient in the EPA city test
Better rear motor power inverter (silicone carbide)

 

[WhisperPickle]

Max Pack 6% bigger

135 (131 useable) vs 149 (141 useable)

More efficient in the EPA city test
Better rear motor power inverter (silicone carbide)

This is all correct - but again, the battery is the same size and same voltage. See below:

"Instead of adding more cells or modules to an existing battery pack, which would add more mass, our engineers developed a proprietary battery management system that optimizes and increases the usable battery energy from a new version of our 2170 battery cell with advanced chemistry that allows for both higher energy density and higher absolute energy. The total installed capacity for Max Pack is 149kWh."

 

[WhisperPickle]

Max pack has a cumulative time savings on road trips. If your taking a 500 mi road trip or more that time savings adds up. This will vary depending on the road trip.

Whether it's worth the upcharge is subjective. It's about an 8% increase in usable battery capacity over large pack.

No, it doesn’t if you manage your charging correctly. To take advantage of the increased capacity you have to charge it beyond 80%. See the Out of Spec tests. You are making the amount of time spent on the road/charging significantly longer.

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