R1T vs Cybertruck size comparison

[Biturbowned]

How does it handle while towing near infinite mass? Not one review I’ve seen even mentions it. Panel gap looks about 5 nanometers.

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[KootenayEV]

Wow! You sure are overthinking this!

I'm not going to go through and address all your misconceptions, but the Cybertruck is already far more maneuverable than the R1T, and it's not just the tighter turning circle (2.5 feet tighter). The rear-wheel steering is more than just a tighter turning circle, it supercharges three-point turns by acting in reverse too. Coupled with the tight steer-by-wire action, it's a night/day difference in putting the truck right where you want it in tight spots (like turning around off-road and having the rear wheel more closely follow the front wheels when using large steering angles).

No, the steel panels are not fussy to maintain, they are the exact opposite of that. You have been watching too many YouTube videos made by prissy people who have never owned a truck. The exterior of the truck is super easy to keep looking nice. I just use soap and water and a long-handled truck washing brush. Way less fussy than my F-150 (and no worries about scratching the clearcoat).

Driving dynamics: R1T has good driving dynamics and ride quality. The Cybertruck crushes it on both metrics.

You have so many misconceptions about the Cybertruck I don't have time to address them all. Just know that it has a lot more truck functionality than the R1T in so many ways you can't even compare them on this point. Yes, size matters.

Wow dude, you are hilarious. I listed many many points that make the R1T more liveable for me and many other folks. Not saying you have to like them, but to call them "misconceptions" is laughable. Bye.

 

[RivianRunner]

Wow dude, you are hilarious. I listed many many points that make the R1T more liveable for me and many other folks. Not saying you have to like them, but to call them "misconceptions" is laughable. Bye.

To be clear, not all of your bullet points are misconceptions, but a surprising number of them are. I just don't have the desire to point them all out.

 

[Ecupip]

Yes. I'm a huge, lifetime Stihl fan boy. I still have two gas Stihls that I cannot get rid of, they are sweet saws in terms of balance, useability and reliability. But I'm only a fan because the products are so good, not because they are Stihl brand. So, when I was looking for an electric saw, I didn't let the fact that I was a Stihl fanboy influence my decision. I researched long and hard.

My first was a Milwaukee M12 Hatchet, with a cute little 5" bar and chain. It's really good for what it is, it's easy to use one handed. Then I bought a Dewalt battery electric chainsaw with a 16" bar. It sucks. I made a mistake because I already had a couple batteries for another DeWalt product that my wife had purchased. It was a dumb decision to base it on that.

I've looked at the battery-electric Stihls, but I'm not convinced their excellence in gas saws translates to their battery electric saws. I bought a Husqvarna Power Axe 350i. The worst thing the reviews I read had to say about this saw was the included charger is not the fast-charger. So I bought a Husqvarna blower that came with another battery and a fast charger. So now I have two batteries and a fast charger and a slow charger for use at home. The blower kicks ass too.

Husqvarna also has an older pro-grade battery electric saw (540i XP) that has a good reputation, but I took a chance and went with their newer 350i for a lot less money. I'm still trying to find a user who has both and can compare their relative merits but I believe the 350i has a better power to weight ratio and better runtimes. I just don't have enough to go on to be sure. If I had to buy another saw, knowing only what I know now, I would still buy the 350i (but I'm still trying to determine which is the better saw). If you want to use a 350i continuously, by charging off your truck, make sure you get their fastest charger and two batteries (or the slow charger and three batteries).

Now, I'm a battery electric Husqvarna fan boy (but if I were to buy a new gas saw, I would still get a Stihl). But that's not happening, the electrics are just too good.

Curious, did you consider or evaluate the ego tools? I have nearly everything they make and couldn't be more pleased with the robustness and functionality of the products.

 

[Hillbilly]

All I'll add is that using phrases like "game changer" "way more" "much less" is unhelpful and makes me feel like I'm reading a transcript from a YouTube review. It just doesn't add anything substantive to the discussion. Anywho, the front end light bar definitely looks better than the rivian. I've never warmed up to the oval light design just like I'll never warm up to the overall cybertruck design.

 

[RivianRunner]

Curious, did you consider or evaluate the ego tools? I have nearly everything they make and couldn't be more pleased with the robustness and functionality of the products.

I have an EGO lawn mower, it's excellent! I didn't look very closely at their saws after my experience with the Dewalt chainsaw. Do you know what kind of bar/chain they use? Oregon?

I think a chainsaw is a specialized enough tool that chainsaw experience matters. I'm only brand loyal when I have a good reason to prefer one product over another. Ego making great lawnmowers doesn't necessarily translate to making great chainsaws. However, all electric chainsaws will work, it's just a matter of finding one you like. I'm especially particular about chainsaws. The Husqvarna really feels good in the hand, and I like everything about it.

 

[RivianRunner]

All I'll add is that using phrases like "game changer" "way more" "much less" is unhelpful and makes me feel like I'm reading a transcript from a YouTube review. It just doesn't add anything substantive to the discussion. Anywho, the front end light bar definitely looks better than the rivian. I've never warmed up to the oval light design just like I'll never warm up to the overall cybertruck design.

Apologies if my terminology was not helpful to you.

"Game-changer" is just another way to say the difference is not a small incremental improvement, it's a large jump in functionality. In this instance I was using to describe how it greatly improved the maneuverability of the truck is, in tight spaces (like parking lots, lumberyards, dead-end roads, and off-road), due to the steer by wire and four-wheel steering.

For example, when driving on a rugged surface at slowish speeds (under 30 mph), I find myself more willing to steer around the largest "canyons" and "mountains", while in a truck with less responsive steering I'm more likely to just go mostly straight through them. The first method results in a much nicer ride and comfort for the occupants. Using that method in a truck without steer by wire requires slowing down or making really fast, really large steering movements. It makes the driver appear frantic. The Cybertruck can just snake through obstacles effortlessly, almost telepathically, like magic. Part of the magic is the way the rear wheels follow the tracks left by the front more closely than they do in a vehicle with only two-wheel steering. It really smooths out the ride and reduces operator effort.

That's why I called it a "game-changer".

I could probably use better adjectives than "way more" and "far less" but I trust the meaning is not obscured, they are just ways of indicating the difference is not minor.

 

[debitdude]

Which one has the longer towing range?

 

[Dark-Fx]

"Game-changer" is just another way to say the difference is not a small incremental improvement, it's a large jump in functionality. In this instance I was using to describe how it greatly improved the maneuverability of the truck is, in tight spaces (like parking lots, lumberyards, dead-end roads, and off-road), due to the steer by wire and four-wheel steering.

For example, when driving on a rugged surface at slowish speeds (under 30 mph), I find myself more willing to steer around the largest "canyons" and "mountains", while in a truck with less responsive steering I'm more likely to just go mostly straight through them. The first method results in a much nicer ride and comfort for the occupants. Using that method in a truck without steer by wire requires slowing down or making really fast, really large steering movements. It makes the driver appear frantic. The Cybertruck can just snake through obstacles effortlessly, almost telepathically, like magic. Part of the magic is the way the rear wheels follow the tracks left by the front more closely than they do in a vehicle with only two-wheel steering. It really smooths out the ride and reduces operator effort.

I'll be curious how you feel about rear steering on slick winter roads. It was the opposite of helpful on the Hummer because it caused the rear end to want to kick out going around corners.

 

[mung]

Cool to see an enthusiastic and genuine comparison between the CyberTruck and the R1T.

But to respond to an earlier post saying that the CyberTruck is just a truck, I would say you haven't been paying attention if that's how you genuinely feel about it.

This vehicle, for better or for worse, has become the ultimate loyalty test of Elon. He's a pretty polarizing guy if you haven't noticed.

 

[CoHAP]

I'll be curious how you feel about rear steering on slick winter roads. It was the opposite of helpful on the Hummer because it caused the rear end to want to kick out going around corners.

I have only driven the CT in the snow once and for less than 5 miles. I noticed the turn behavior you mentioned, and I assumed it was me driving too fast. It might take some adjustment come next winter. I do not have an answer for you yet.

 

[RivianRunner]

I'll be curious how you feel about rear steering on slick winter roads. It was the opposite of helpful on the Hummer because it caused the rear end to want to kick out going around corners.

You can turn Rear Wheel Steering off on slippery surfaces. Or. leave it on and have some fun! The choice is yours.

 

[RivianRunner]

This vehicle, for better or for worse, has become the ultimate loyalty test of Elon. He's a pretty polarizing guy if you haven't noticed.

People who spend $100,000 on a vehicle like it or not based on how good the vehicle is, it has nothing to do with the CEO of the company that manufacturers it.

It would be like saying that diehard GM fans are simply the result of their loyalty to Mary Barra! No, they like GM trucks.

 

[BigE]

Rich provides some perspective as a Rivian owner.

 

[MXA121]

Thanks for the photos and honest review. I'm a fan of the Cybertruck design, even if it's overall ridiculous. Stealth fighter, military vibes for me.

Great seeing the CT loaded up with logs, using onboard power to saw - real work!
It would be tough to choose a CT over a R1T, but I can see benefits of both.

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