Gen 2 Standard > Large battery pack.

[TRap015]

Yeah, is kinda stupid that 0-60 times are the measure, it's such a pissing contest. Non performance dual motor is more than enough for the majority of people.

agree and who would always do 0-60 in like 2-3sec. That’s like trying to replace tires every month.

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[jplblue]

If the standard (LFP) gets 270miles , can be charged to 100% daily and likely fast charges faster.

I may have missed something, but wasn't there a thread about Rivian saying to only charge the LFP to 85%? I know theoretically LFP can do 100% daily, but has that been confirmed by Rivian?

This was discussed in a Batteries Included episode with a UC Berkeley professor. In short, LFP also prefers so stay around 50% SOC. It's a bit more tolerant to being at a high SOC, but that's still not great for the battery. The reason why Tesla recommends charging to 100% once per week is to calibrate the software, since LFP has a relatively flat voltage curve and it's difficult to measure SOC.

 

[narmstrong79]

I may have missed something, but wasn't there a thread about Rivian saying to only charge the LFP to 85%? I know theoretically LFP can do 100% daily, but has that been confirmed by Rivian?

Rivian might recommend a lower daily charge limit for the LFP battery. As most car companies are quiet about limits like 70-85%. Others that use LFP aren't clear on their charging strategy either.... They usually just brag about the full-charge range, which can be confusing to' normal people'

Here's the thing: LFP batteries seem perfectly fine with daily charging to 100% based on what we know of the chemistry. Rivian's software might suggest a lower limit (70% or 85%) because there isn't enough real-world data on LFP batteries in Rivian vehicles yet.

The problem is how do you justify 230 (Large) - 290 (max) at 70% or even 280 (large at 80%) when the standard is 270 miles at 100% "

 

[mpshizzle]

Yeah that's a good point. If it is a software locked max pack then one should also be able to charge that to 100% daily with no worries of accelerated degradation. So you would be able to get the full rated range on the daily. Also, would the top charge really be that slow? If my calcs are correct a 100% charge on a large pack would only be about 78% of the gross pack capacity (again assuming a software limited max pack).

For Large, if it is just a software locked max, yes, it very well might be faster to 100%. But I was just making that comment in reference to charging lfp to 100%

 

[narmstrong79]

For Large, if it is just a software locked max, yes, it very well might be faster to 100%. But I was just making that comment in reference to charging lfp to 100%

Software locked is the assumption, Rivian has been shady on details

 

[Epicloop]

Yeah, That goes to my original post. I assume its either software locked like the old standard/Standard+ was or they figured a more modular approach where modules are actually removed that would be interesting, But again the the models are more complicated than they need to be. Get rid of the large pack.

the offering would be so much cleaner and less confusing if it was just, one could argue the tri shouldn't exist either.

1. Standard (LFP) - The Daily Commuter
2. Max Dual - The Range / Towing Model
3. Tri Max - The Performance Model
4. Quad Max - The Off-road Model

I am also surprised about the various models when they are trying to streamline.
3. Towing is about KWH & hp/tq. I would go TM
4. I would disagree about the Quad being the Off-Road version as I understand it comes with the performance street tires & is too cost prohibitive for off-roading.

 

[narmstrong79]

I am also surprised about the various models when they are trying to streamline.
3. Towing is about KWH & hp/tq. I would go TM
4. I would disagree about the Quad being the Off-Road version as I understand it comes with the performance street tires & is too cost prohibitive for off-roading.

Since there are no differential locks. The quad motor becomes the infacto off-road model. Personally I don't think to tri motor should exist, I would get rid of that, especially since the whole brand with originally built around quad motor, and eliminate the large pack. But for marketing positioning, I think laying out the floor in the way that I detailed, probably makes the most sense. Or call the tri motor The off-roader, and the quad motor the sport.

 

[Mathington]

Really curious to see how the Gen 2 R1S standard range LFP battery does in the Out of Spec range test charging seems okay but very curious to see what changes after the expected update for the charging curve.

 

[Golfer04]

Really curious to see how the Gen 2 R1S standard range LFP battery does in the Out of Spec range test charging seems okay but very curious to see what changes after the expected update for the charging curve.

 

[Golfer04]

I drive 36,000 miles annually. According to Rivian my 8 yr 175,000 mile battery warranty (75 percent of original capacity) is good if I charge to 100 percent every day. I don't want a smaller battery until I see independent testing of these gen 2 range figures. I'm on my second R1T QM and don't buy this 3mi/kw stuff. IF that is real you have 270 miles to start; which is 250 miles at 75 mph (best case); 230 miles if it is cold and nobody drives to zero so you will stop every 200 miles on a road trip. I know Gen 2 is likely more efficient, but by 1/3rd? I doubt it. If we reduce those numbers by 20 percent you likely have reality and the need for anybody who drives a lot to want the large pack without spending the extra $$ for max.

 

[mpshizzle]

I drive 36,000 miles annually. According to Rivian my 8 yr 175,000 mile battery warranty (75 percent of original capacity) is good if I charge to 100 percent every day. I don't want a smaller battery until I see independent testing of these gen 2 range figures. I'm on my second R1T QM and don't buy this 3mi/kw stuff. IF that is real you have 270 miles to start; which is 250 miles at 75 mph (best case); 230 miles if it is cold and nobody drives to zero so you will stop every 200 miles on a road trip. I know Gen 2 is likely more efficient, but by 1/3rd? I doubt it. If we reduce those numbers by 20 percent you likely have reality and the need for anybody who drives a lot to want the large pack without spending the extra $$ for max.

Exactly the reason I ordered a large Pack (Also Performance upgrade was a factor for me)

 

[bdwalters]

I wonder how many quads they will sell. The Tri already start at six figures once you factor in destination. Quad is likely to be well north of that. At least 110-120k.

If I lease a gen 2 it will be a dual performance max pack most likely. Like you say I'm looking for range/towing performance and 3.4sec 0-60 is still pretty darn fast for this truck.

I would guess the tri and quad motor variants will be around 10% of sales with the Gen2. I like the idea of the quad, but it’s hard to justify the extra expense when the duals are so capable. I also drove my quad around in AP all the time, so I wasn’t using all of the power anyway.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I would guess the tri and quad motor variants will be around 10% of sales with the Gen2. I like the idea of the quad, but it’s hard to justify the extra expense when the duals are so capable. I also drove my quad around in AP all the time, so I wasn’t using all of the power anyway.

I think their dual motor standard pack will be their bread and butter until R2 arrives. 270 is enough range for most folks if they aren't towing or taking long road trips frequently. Even if you take a lot of road trips the LFP seem to charge pretty fast. 533 HP and 4.5 0-60 is still darn fast for a vehicle like this.

Quad motor I think will be the prototypical mid-life crisis vehicle ?

 

[narmstrong79]

I think their dual motor standard pack will be their bread and butter until R2 arrives. 270 is enough range for most folks if they aren't towing or taking long road trips frequently. Even if you take a lot of road trips the LFP seem to charge pretty fast. 533 HP and 4.5 0-60 is still darn fast for a vehicle like this.

Quad motor I think will be the prototypical mid-life crisis vehicle ?

I agree with this. Unfortunately, I think 270 will scare some people away, I wish they found away to hit 300. People don't understand how little they actually drive on daily basis, 270 is more than enough for the majority.

200, @75% suggested commuter/daily state of charge scares people even further, toss a rough winter in there you're under 150, and you just made a person an EV hater.

EV are still in the earlier adoption stage, starting to tip towards the early majority..I wish car companies would focus on market education rather than 0-60 times and theoretical range @ 100%.

 

[beatle]

I would guess the tri and quad motor variants will be around 10% of sales with the Gen2. I like the idea of the quad, but it’s hard to justify the extra expense when the duals are so capable. I also drove my quad around in AP all the time, so I wasn’t using all of the power anyway.

I wish they'd either publish the performance figures of the vehicles in AP mode, or allow AP mode to have all the power available as it is in sport mode.

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