Would the Rivian R1T pass the Moose Test?

[BigE]

Interesting test and worth a listen. Listen towards the end (6:55) to the record holding car and what type of suspension it has.

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[crashmtb]

The real møøse test is: Will driver+ see a møøse on the road and raise, or lower the suspension?

A cow is almost as bad to hit as a møøse, for slightly different reasons.

I don’t like the møøse test, as it’s unrealistic. In that scenario most people would be braking, not maintaining speed.

 

[thrill]

The real møøse test is: Will driver+ see a møøse on the road and raise, or lower the suspension?

A cow is almost as bad to hit as a møøse, for slightly different reasons.

I don’t like the møøse test, as it’s unrealistic. In that scenario most people would be braking, not maintaining speed.

I was following someone at 75+mph probably screwing with their cell phone as they were passing an 18 wheeler. They veered into the truck, bouncing off and heading into traffic to his left. The originator of this accident slammed into the back of a vehicle to his left, causing him to spin out and reverse direction, and he likely hit the accelerator instead of the gas because he was headed right towards me. I'd started braking heavily and glanced in my mirror and saw the idiot in the white F-150 behind me, also on his cell phone, looking over the top of me with wide eyes ... and not slowing. I let off the brakes and began steering through the mess, actually accelerating to beat one car to a piece of clear asphalt. When done, there were six cars in the pileup, as I recall. But, neither I nor my three family members in my car were in that group.

The moose test is valid if you think a car with an average driver should not lose steering control when snap reversing whether braking or not.

 

[BigE]

The real møøse test is: Will driver+ see a møøse on the road and raise, or lower the suspension?

A cow is almost as bad to hit as a møøse, for slightly different reasons.

I don’t like the møøse test, as it’s unrealistic. In that scenario most people would be braking, not maintaining speed.

I apologize as I was not clear when sharing this. I'm not debating the validity of this test, although I did just attend a refresher professional driving school for my job as I drive 50K+ miles/year. We did this maneuver both with and without brakes. The intent of the course is to teach the driver and get you comfortable/explore the capabilities of your vehicle. Most drives never practice such maneuvers which can save your life. That being said, I was more amazed if you listened to the end of the video, that the Citroen car which is the current best car in this test, has a very similar hydraulic suspension (kinetic suspension) from 1990s to the current Rivian! So, I would guess, the R1's may do similarly well!

Cheers...

 

[SeaGeo]

I apologize as I was not clear when sharing this. I'm not debating the validity of this test, although I did just attend a refresher professional driving school for my job as I drive 50K+ miles/year. We did this maneuver both with and without brakes. The intent of the course is to teach the driver and get you comfortable/explore the capabilities of your vehicle. Most drives never practice such maneuvers which can save your life. That being said, I was more amazed if you listened to the end of the video, that the Citroen car which is the current best car in this test, has a very similar hydraulic suspension (kinetic suspension) from 1990s to the current Rivian! So, I would guess, the R1's may do similarly well!

Cheers...

I fully expect it to trounce every large SUV and truck with the low center of gravity and suspension system.

 

[crashmtb]

I apologize as I was not clear when sharing this. I'm not debating the validity of this test, although I did just attend a refresher professional driving school for my job as I drive 50K+ miles/year. We did this maneuver both with and without brakes. The intent of the course is to teach the driver and get you comfortable/explore the capabilities of your vehicle. Most drives never practice such maneuvers which can save your life. That being said, I was more amazed if you listened to the end of the video, that the Citroen car which is the current best car in this test, has a very similar hydraulic suspension (kinetic suspension) from 1990s to the current Rivian! So, I would guess, the R1's may do similarly well!

Cheers...

A møøse once bit my sister…

 

[E.S.]

A møøse once bit my sister…

My mother-in-law is the moose

 

[kylealden]

Yes, the R1T/S should do better than pretty much an comparable full-sized SUV or truck.

1. Low battery pack = low center of gravity, crucial to avoiding the "lever effect" mentioned in the video above
2. Lower ride height at freeway speeds also lowers center of gravity
3. Battery pack runs most of the length of the vehicle, which means you'll have much more traction at the rear wheels than most trucks
4. The cross-linked hydraulic suspension has terrific anti-roll qualities, especially for an off-road vehicle, which should help cornering
5. The full-time four-motor drive should help optimize traction through the maneuver

There are still geometric factors that will keep the R1T from being as good as, say, a dual-motor Model X, but I'd be surprised if it isn't best-in-class.

The Model X is great for a lot of the same reasons (1-3 above), but doesn't have the suspension or quad motor advantages of the R1T (although it has better geometry). It is discussed in the video at this timestamp:




Interestingly the video then goes on to discuss an active-suspension Citroen as the best-ever result in this test, which has many of the same advantages as the R1T/S suspension design.

 

[koersontap]

A møøse once bit my sister…

I *TOLD* her I was sorry

 

[thrill]

Yes, the R1T/S should do better than pretty much an comparable full-sized SUV or truck.

1. Low battery pack = low center of gravity, crucial to avoiding the "lever effect" mentioned in the video above...

Your mention of "lever effect" reminded me of this video.

 

[kylealden]

Your mention of "lever effect" reminded me of this video.

 

[yizzung]

I’d always heard that a pig was the worst animal to hit with your car because they’d go under and cause your tires to lose contact with the road leading to a spin out and disaster. Not sure if true but always had the image in my head of a spinning car on top of a pig with all four tires in the air.

 

[OrthoBlock]

I’d always heard that a pig was the worst animal to hit with your car because they’d go under and cause your tires to lose contact with the road leading to a spin out and disaster.

I'm going to have to go with the moose being the bigger problem (for a passenger car anyhow.) With a 1,000+ pound meat hammer flying through the windshield at 60mph+ instantly killing everyone inside, I'd take running over a pig any day... [problem is that the height of the moose causes it's legs to collapse and the body is at the height of the windshield for most vehicles...]

 

[SANZC02]

I’d always heard that a pig was the worst animal to hit with your car because they’d go under and cause your tires to lose contact with the road leading to a spin out and disaster. Not sure if true but always had the image in my head of a spinning car on top of a pig with all four tires in the air.

A friend had his Denali pickup totaled hitting a moose in Montana. Hitting one is nothing to scoff at, causes as much damage as hitting another vehicle.

 

[Forager]

If it passes then it earns a Prancing Moose badge like our Volvo.

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