Reminder: Rivian Promised Level 3 "Eyes Off the Road" Autonomy on Gen 1

[BuckyThreadkiller]

I’ve never had it work for more that five
miles on any of the interstates in DFW.

I put this promise up there with “You can keep your doctor,” “Humans walking in the Moon in 2022,” and “The Cowboys are ready for a Super Bowl run.”

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[Shawnybs]

I agree, it's a bad look for Rivian, and along witih some other decisions (certain accessories not making it to market for example) - I bought a truck in 22' with the expectation that I would at least have hands free capability like the Mach-e I traded in for the Riv. I loved that feature and am bummed I won't get it on my R1T.

I can empathize with Rivian's challenges, but consumer's should not be lied to, especially when marketing materials is what we base a purchasing decision on. I love the truck and Rivian has made plenty of niceties towards early adpoters, so swallowing being lied to has gone down easy. Plus, this is the epitome of first world problems.

But please stop lying to consumers.

 

[JeremyMKE]

They could make good on their original promises and upgrade Gen 1 vehicles to Gen 2 ADAS hardware like Tesla did. I mean, that would be the right thing to do. Not just say "oh well, tough luck..."

I would consider paying something for this upgrade if it were available.

 

[Ruprecht]

Sounds like the OP should have cancelled his reservation and bought something else? It was removed from the list of features before you took delivery. This is on you.

 

[godfodder0901]

Sounds like the OP should have cancelled his reservation and bought something else? It was removed from the list of features before you took delivery. This is on you.

Sounds like you didn't read the thread. Your statement is not accurate for those of us with early '22 deliveries.

 

[SANZC02]

The opposite; more in the open areas. I use driving assist any time it's possible (and effective/safe). Which with the Tesla was 98% of my driving since it worked nearly everywhere.

Interesting, I’m heading to Florida later this week, will be taking 10 through AZ. usually bypass phoenix going through Gila Bend and get back on 10 around Casa Grande.

I’ll pay attention going through AZ and report back how mine works through there.

I have run into areas not mapped because of construction, I do have issues driving into the sun at sunrise and sunset (My AP1 in the model S does as well) when the sun is low and washes out the camera. Other than that where it is mapped my R1S is very close to my Tesla AP1.

 

[SwampNut]

I’ll pay attention going through AZ and report back how mine works through there.

It's far worse in the areas in/near CA. I don't recall how far East it was terrible, at some point near Phoenix it becomes less ridiculous.

 

[Dark-Fx]

So odd how different everyone’s experience is, I’ve driven I-10 from SoCal to FL several times, this is just not my experience.

Just curious is this in the more around the cities? I only use it in the open areas between the cities.

I highly suspect there's more to the differentiation than Rivian would ever allude to.

 

[pamalabama]

I’m going to Milwaukee next weekend. I’m gonna tally it for everyone.

A tally is just a random anecdote from one person who is trying to not disengage for every little thing.

With FSD you could go 1 year without ever touching the steering wheel or pedals as long as you avoid driving through a school zone during the proper hours. That doesn't mean it doesn't do anything wrong, but you can go a year without it doing something to cause an immediate collision.

Rivians marketing is full of lies just like tesla or anyone else.

Rivian uses unreal engine and android automotive to build their operating system because it's cheaper than building their own system. It's certainly not better or more performant.

Rivian not delivering on ADAS promises is because they do not have the capability to build such a system. It's not cheap to build an ADAS system.

Rivian can't copy basic tesla features like sentry mode correctly because they do not have the vertical integration to do it. They can't undistort the cams and continuous record.

They market all the sensors they have as being safer and then use none of them. They are not even good quality radar that you would feel comfortable with them using for autonomy.

It's also not other CEOs being humble in not trashing Tesla. It's because they know exactly what they have and how far they are away from what tesla has. It's only consumers that see another vertically integrated car company and assume they have basically the same thing.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

A tally is just a random anecdote from one person who is trying to not disengage for every little thing.

With FSD you could go 1 year without ever touching the steering wheel or pedals as long as you avoid driving through a school zone during the proper hours. That doesn't mean it doesn't do anything wrong, but you can go a year without it doing something to cause an immediate collision.

Rivians marketing is full of lies just like tesla or anyone else.

Rivian uses unreal engine and android automotive to build their operating system because it's cheaper than building their own system. It's certainly not better or more performant.

Rivian not delivering on ADAS promises is because they do not have the capability to build such a system. It's not cheap to build an ADAS system.

Rivian can't copy basic tesla features like sentry mode correctly because they do not have the vertical integration to do it. They can't undistort the cams and continuous record.

They market all the sensors they have as being safer and then use none of them. They are not even good quality radar that you would feel comfortable with them using for autonomy.

It's also not other CEOs being humble in not trashing Tesla. It's because they know exactly what they have and how far they are away from what tesla has. It's only consumers that see another vertically integrated car company and assume they have basically the same thing.

What? A tally is a direct contradiction of the claim that Rivian's ADAS is unusable. The rest of your post is irrelevant or nonsense to the topic at hand.

 

[godfodder0901]

What? A tally is a direct contradiction of the claim that Rivian's ADAS is unusable. The rest of your post is irrelevant or nonsense to the topic at hand.

You can't reason with that dude.

 

[pamalabama]

What? A tally is a direct contradiction of the claim that Rivian's ADAS is unusable. The rest of your post is irrelevant or nonsense to the topic at hand.

Because you're looking for it to be usable. I drove a 2020 toyota corolla which has no auto lane keeping system for 100 miles with no intervention.

Because I realized it was a lane centering assist, put a steering wheel weight on there and found a straight road with good markings in florida. This doesn't mean it's a good or useful system.

Rivian flat out had no ADAS development capabilities and lied about what they had. For Rivian's system being from mobileye it's puzzling how the complaints are so problematic. Mobileye had a class leading system back in a 2015 tesla. Maybe most of the development work that made the system good was done by tesla.

now rivian has their own system and their office in serbia so we will see what happens

 

[pamalabama]

I think avoiding this sort of expectation is exactly why they didn't charge you for it up front. Tesla HAD TO deliver these upgrades (at great cost) because when I purchased my Model 3 (in Jan 2018) there was an explicit line-item for "full self driving" for which I paid thousands of dollars. IMHO, as a new company, launching their first vehicle...it was the right move to not sign themselves up for obligations that may very well have led them to bankruptcy. When they originally talked about hands-off autonomy the website also foretasted vehicles with dual front-facing Lidar which of course did not happen.

tesla sold that explicit line item for self driving for a very brief period of time. Mostly what tesla has sold to consumers has been delivered more than has been promised. So if self driving ever does happen, I would guess it is just cheaper to give you a new car at that point. The amount of people who paid for the explicit self-driving line item and still have their cars is very low.

The 2018 model 3 is pretty terrible in terms of quality and value compared to a modern EV and not sure how many paid the full price for FSD

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Because you're looking for it to be usable. I drove a 2020 toyota corolla which has no auto lane keeping system for 100 miles with no intervention.

Because I realized it was a lane centering assist, put a steering wheel weight on there and found a straight road with good markings in florida. This doesn't mean it's a good or useful system.

Rivian flat out had no ADAS development capabilities and lied about what they had. For Rivian's system being from mobileye it's puzzling how the complaints are so problematic. Mobileye had a class leading system back in a 2015 tesla. Maybe most of the development work that made the system good was done by tesla.

now rivian has their own system and their office in serbia so we will see what happens

How is you rigging up some sort of crap on a toyota relevant to Rivian's system or me testing it. I'll try simplifying it because you're still missing the point. The claim was made that the Rivian ADAS system is unusable with constant failures. Me making a tally over a long road trip is a direct contradiction to this claim. So you can save your irrelevant anecdotes about Tesla or weighted steering wheels and putting fellow drivers at risk to cover your laziness.

 

[pamalabama]

How is you rigging up some sort of crap on a toyota relevant to Rivian's system or me testing it. I'll try simplifying it because you're still missing the point. The claim was made that the Rivian ADAS system is unusable with constant failures. Me making a tally over a long road trip is a direct contradiction to this claim. So you can save your irrelevant anecdotes about Tesla or weighted steering wheels and putting fellow drivers at risk to cover your laziness.

The claim is that rivian's ADAS system is unusable and one anecdote means nothing

Try comma.ai, bluecruise, supercruise, or something similar and experience a good system for once.

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