Reminder: Rivian Promised Level 3 "Eyes Off the Road" Autonomy on Gen 1

[Donald Stanfield]

The claim is that rivian's ADAS system is unusable and one anecdote means nothing

Try comma.ai, bluecruise, supercruise, or something similar and experience a good system for once.

It means more than your half-assed rants.

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[pamalabama]

It means more than your half-assed rants.

the point of this thread is whether rivian has a good system and whether they lied about what they had. They did.

how can you sell a vertically integrated, "advanced," truck of the future with a poor adas system. You can't.

Lucid has a poor adas system too but it is at least built to be upgraded.

 

[captainjp]

the point of this thread is whether rivian has a good system and whether they lied about what they had. They did.

how can you sell a vertically integrated, "advanced," truck of the future with a poor adas system. You can't.

Lucid has a poor adas system too but it is at least built to be upgraded.

lol. Lucid is toast. 10k vehicle deliveries a year just ain’t gonna cut it. May as well take them out of the equation.

 

[captainjp]

It means more than your half-assed rants.

Another great example of a troll. The Mach e is garbage and the ADAS is the only thing the model 3 has it going for it. There’s a reason that you can get a used model 3 for $20k.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

the point of this thread is whether rivian has a good system and whether they lied about what they had. They did.

how can you sell a vertically integrated, "advanced," truck of the future with a poor adas system. You can't.

Lucid has a poor adas system too but it is at least built to be upgraded.

I can’t take your complaints seriously about Rivian’s ADAS system when you praise Tesla considering Elon is the biggest liar about FSD and just about everything else on his cars.

 

[Zoidz]

The claim is that rivian's ADAS system is unusable and one anecdote means nothing

Unusable, really? I guess I have never used it for thousands of miles, I must have been hallucinating every time I used/use it.

Learn the difference between "deficient" and "unusable".

Your trolling has and continue to make your posts interesting fodder to laugh at. Nothing more.

 

[longterm ev supporter]

Could be worse. Tesla has promised full self drive every year for more than 10 years. Every year to be delivered before the end of each year.

 

[captainjp]

Could be worse. Tesla has promised full self drive every year for more than 10 years. Every year to be delivered before the end of each year.

Let’s not forget that cybertruck was promised to begin delivering in 2021.

 

[SwampNut]

 

[pamalabama]

Another great example of a troll. The Mach e is garbage and the ADAS is the only thing the model 3 has it going for it. There’s a reason that you can get a used model 3 for $20k.

Mach e is garbage. I did not buy that EV. Model 3 is a good EV

The mach E bluecruise is actually quite good but I do not have bluecruise on that model. It was given to me and I would not buy the car otherwise. Select mach e is even worse.

 

[pamalabama]

I can’t take your complaints seriously about Rivian’s ADAS system when you praise Tesla considering Elon is the biggest liar about FSD and just about everything else on his cars.

because I never paid for FSD. I was not one of the idiots that believed that FSD was around the corner. But I am very happy with the way FSD performs now and they have built features that rivian or other cars won't have for 10 years because of it.

Tesla's auto emergency braking system/accident avoidance detects animals crossing the road, people running red lights, and in general cross traffic, accidents from in front, etc.

Other cars WISH they had these features but it's not possible.

Other than FSD what have they actually lied about?

 

[captainjp]

Mach e is garbage. I did not buy that EV. Model 3 is a good EV

The mach E bluecruise is actually quite good but I do not have bluecruise on that model. It was given to me and I would not buy the car otherwise. Select mach e is even worse.

Disagree. The interior of Model 3 is horrendous. The seats aren’t comfortable and the materials feel cheap. It’s mass-produced and meant to be affordable, which is the impression it gives. This is why they’re used as fleet vehicles and rental cars. Like I said, the FSD is all it has going for it, besides the price. Also, not too long ago the autopilot was nothing to crow about. The ping-ponging on lane lines was awful! Talk about motion sickness, oof.

Let’s talk safety re FSD. How many emergency vehicles have been rammed? How about the dude from Apple whose X ran into a divider and killed him. Or the Model 3 that ran itself right under a trailer. Dude was decapitated. Just a few examples.

And don’t give me the bullshit line of “how many lives has it saved?” All avoidable fatalities.
I’m happy with the progress with Rivian’s ADAS. As I’ve said before, I’d rather not be a statistic beta testing a half-assed ADAS in the name of safety as Tesla drivers do.

FYI, original post is about Gen 1 owners that are bitter about being left behind tech-wise. Not about the shortcomings of the system.

 

[SwampNut]

The interior of Model 3 is horrendous. The seats aren’t comfortable and the materials feel cheap.

Disagree.

It’s mass-produced

Like the Rivian.

How many emergency vehicles have been rammed?

How many people have done that with legacy vehicles?

I’d rather not be a statistic beta testing a half-assed ADAS in the name of safety as Tesla drivers do.

I'd rather not be beta testing all of the dangers of meatbag drivers, which are definitely far more unpredictable and dangerous.

FYI, original post is about Gen 1 owners that are bitter about being left behind tech-wise.

It absolutely was not about that at all. That obviously false claim pretty much tells us the value of the rest of what you made up.

Someone hand me my purse.

 

[pamalabama]

Disagree. The interior of Model 3 is horrendous. The seats aren’t comfortable and the materials feel cheap. It’s mass-produced and meant to be affordable, which is the impression it gives. This is why they’re used as fleet vehicles and rental cars. Like I said, the FSD is all it has going for it, besides the price. Also, not too long ago the autopilot was nothing to crow about. The ping-ponging on lane lines was awful! Talk about motion sickness, oof.

Let’s talk safety re FSD. How many emergency vehicles have been rammed? How about the dude from Apple whose X ran into a divider and killed him. Or the Model 3 that ran itself right under a trailer. Dude was decapitated. Just a few examples.

And don’t give me the bullshit line of “how many lives has it saved?” All avoidable fatalities.
I’m happy with the progress with Rivian’s ADAS. As I’ve said before, I’d rather not be a statistic beta testing a half-assed ADAS in the name of safety as Tesla drivers do.

FYI, original post is about Gen 1 owners that are bitter about being left behind tech-wise. Not about the shortcomings of the system.

learn the difference between FSD and autopilot. Autopilot is a years old software from 2017 and earlier. Secondly autopilot does not ping pong. It is one of the straightest ADAS systems you can buy in a car. It drives dead centered with the negative being that it takes curves at "full" speed which introduces a lot of g forces.

The reason people died with tesla autopilot is simply because people abused the system due to it not shutting off. Autopilot, unlike rivian's system does not shut off because it has no ODD and doesn't have limitations where it doesn't work. You can use it on any roads. There is no adas in any car other than tesla which can go 1/2 as long as autopilot can. FSD is another level. I could go 1 year, right now without ever touching the steering wheel or pedals if I really want to.

FSD has killed exactly 2 people in about 3 billion miles. These were very early versions of FSD in poor visibility (driver not at fault) and the industry average is 3 deaths per billion miles.

Have you driven a model 3 performance refresh? The materials are pretty good and there are no plastics anywhere. Look at other cars in the price range. Ioniq 6 has cloth seats and you have to pay for the upgraded trim which reduces your range due to larger wheels. Hyundai and kia performance models have terrible range. The seats in the model 3 are also very comfortable.


Rivian's Gen 1 Adas which is a mobileye product or the gen 2 ADAS which is also likely still a mobileye product? That they are going to somehow transition to their own and only move forward?

I feel like a lot of people in this forum are ignorant about tesla because they are slightly jealous of what tesla has. You're talking about EVs sold with a high profit margin, and they defend rivian for selling vehicles for a negative gross profit (something tesla has pretty much never done).

 

[SwampNut]

with the negative being that it takes curves at "full" speed

Some of use think that's a plus and absolutely hate the Rivian slow-down. I have to take over, since normal drivers are still going normal speed, and I'm being the idiot.

The reason people died with tesla autopilot is simply because people abused the system due to it not shutting off.

Exactly, and it's like my answer to "why do you trust it?" Because I quickly learned where it performs perfectly, and where it might not. Maybe I don't trust it, I just happen to know how to use it. I don't trust hammers either, but just avoid putting my finger under one.

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