Tesla nefarious behavior?

[Spork8]

2100 is not much because of the number of lidar they have on each vehicle.

If you want high volume lidar, Hesai is what is being used on many of the chinese brands

What is your point? You get called out, respond with information that means nothing... what is your expectation? Do you not know how to form arguments?

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[pamalabama]

What is your point? You get called out, respond with information that means nothing... what is your expectation? Do you not know how to form arguments?

Called out how? Tesla is not making commercially released vehicles with lidar. They build test vehicles and put lidar on top just like rivian does.


Tesla will never use lidar.

In the future they will use imaging radar when it is required and the technology improves.

 

[captainjp]

Called out how? Tesla is not making commercially released vehicles with lidar. They build test vehicles and put lidar on top just like rivian does.


Tesla will never use lidar.

In the future they will use imaging radar when it is required and the technology improves.

Non sequitur

 

[Dave Cundiff]

Rober did too. I have no idea which event you're referring to, but I posted a link to an admission of a purposeful, premeditated lie for profit. It's just one of many. Like most people, when someone repeatedly lies on purpose, I take their next claims with slightly more skepticism. But some people, because they have Musk Derangement Syndrome, will totally ignore that and simply go with "rocket man bad."

The USA Today link I saw showed that (1) Rober recruited "friends of friends" to put out packages as bait for a porch thief deterrent device; (2) Two of the friends decided not to wait for real porch thieves, and staged their videos; (3) Rober didn't realize the deception, and used the videos as two of his five video examples; (4) Someone pointed this out; and (5) After investigation, Rober took down these video segments and apologized publicly.

Granted, the article shows primarily Mr. Rober's side of the story. I don't know how USA Today would have found a real counterpoint to Mr. Rober's account. But the information in the article doesn't even seem to come close to a "purposeful, premeditated lie for profit." To me, it seems consistent with someone who does lots of things, makes mistakes, and tries to be accountable for those mistakes.

What other specific information have you got about Mr. Rober, @JM., or about the Autopilot video?

Thanks and best wishes!

 

[rkalbiar]

Yeah, I used to like this guy. Some real shady shiz/editing going on here.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I don't have a dog in this race, honestly. But this isn't how the burden of proof works.

The quote you quoted is attributed to me somehow, even though the other guy said it.

When you have a system that disengages for every little thing, it reduces the chances of an ADAS system being enabled when an accident happens.

When a system performs for 100s of miles without disengagement, works regardless of lane line visibility, mapping, etc. people get complacement

Tesla's "deaths" are largely with their radar systems which is why tesla no longer uses radar in any of their vehicles

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[ElGuano]

The quote you quoted is attributed to me somehow, even though the other guy said it.

Ack, that's my bad, not sure how it happened. Fixed.

 

[pamalabama]

AI DRIVR posted his own take

Mark rober's main argument is that you need an address for FSD to drive to. This has never been the case.

you can turn on fsd nearly anywhere and it drives straight and when it hits a dead end it takes a right turn

you can literally use FSD for hours with no destination set

 

[JM.]

so I wouldn't be bragging about white knighting on other forums.

Definitely didn't do that, only pointed out the hilarity of the prejudices and assumptions from both sides. The rest of the post seems to illustrate the same basic misunderstanding/assumption of what has been said.

 

[JM.]

AI DRIVR posted his own take

Mark rober's main argument is that you need an address for FSD to drive to. This has never been the case.

you can turn on fsd nearly anywhere and it drives straight and when it hits a dead end it takes a right turn

you can literally use FSD for hours with no destination set

Only one of so many lies. He's either a moron and should be ignored, or is a liar and should be ignored.

 

[COdogman]

AI DRIVR posted his own take

Mark rober's main argument is that you need an address for FSD to drive to. This has never been the case.

you can turn on fsd nearly anywhere and it drives straight and when it hits a dead end it takes a right turn

you can literally use FSD for hours with no destination set

That video is fake. Don’t ask me for proof - it just is because I say so….

 

[pamalabama]

When autopilot disengages, AI DRIVR claims that mark rober torqued the steering wheel and caused autopilot to disengage. It shows mark rober doing 2 separate attempts at the wall challenge and in both attempts he torques the steering wheel and autopilot disengages at the exact moment

That sounds more believable to me as autopilot does not disengage without warning beeps.

This is not the case in any car. Even cars with bad auto emergency braking, they will beep for something last minute even if they do not apply the brakes

The takeaway from the video and mark rober's interview with Phillip DeFranco is he has very little understanding about how tesla FSD works and just went in with a preconceived notion of how lidar works without thinking about how these problems could be solved.

 

[emoore]

Lots of arguments to just say that self driving cars aren't ready yet. And neither are those mythical robo taxis. Going to be many many years before it becomes a reality and the norm. In my opinion I don't think a "dumb" system (all systems now) will be able to do full self driving and it won't be until we can get actual generic AI working before this happens.

 

[JM.]

Lots of arguments to just say that self driving cars aren't ready yet.

No, nothing here is about self driving. This entire thing is about the old Autopilot system that is nothing like full self driving.

 

[emoore]

No, nothing here is about self driving. This entire thing is about the old Autopilot system that is nothing like full self driving.

Yes and I still argue that full self driving isn't ready for driverless cars.

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