Gen 1 Quad vs Gen 2 Tri Range Difference

[Great Gatsby]

Just keep in mind there is a asterisk there of "weather depending". You will be closer to 350 in winter.

That's fine with me. Still pretty good for winter range. My wife has a Mustang Mach-E without the heat pump. In the winters, the range is downright atrocious. And that is here in Georgia. One time we charged it up to 100% and the estimated range was 120 miles (compared to 280 advertised). My Gen 1 Quad was at least in the ballpark of its estimates in the winter.

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[ElGuano]

R1T Tri with 22s here. I drive pretty conservatively TBH, and my trip meter's lifetime efficiency is about 2.51-2.55 mi/kwh. I'll be honest, a lot of this is very intentionally staying 70 or below on the freeway.

I'd say generally, if I'm careful then I'm on track for about 375mi from 100-0% with mostly freeway miles. 400 miles would require more than 2.8 mi/kwh on the display, including AC/fan usage, and I know I will never actually hit that.

Nobody drives 100 to literally zero, so realistically, in Conserve I'd say it's a 300+ mile vehicle comfortably (go any speed you want, use any settings you want)

 

[Great Gatsby]

R1T Tri with 22s here. I drive pretty conservatively TBH, and my trip meter's lifetime efficiency is about 2.51-2.55 mi/kwh. I'll be honest, a lot of this is very intentionally staying 70 or below on the freeway.

I'd say generally, if I'm careful then I'm on track for about 375mi from 100-0% with mostly freeway miles. 400 miles would require more than 2.8 mi/kwh on the display, including AC/fan usage, and I know I will never actually hit that.

Nobody drives 100 to literally zero, so realistically, in Conserve I'd say it's a 300+ mile vehicle comfortably (go any speed you want, use any settings you want)

That's a very fair assessment. 300+ miles is a good buffer for just driving the vehicle without worrying too much. On the daily, I drive pretty spiritedly but on roadtrips often find myself trailing a semi going around 65 mph to help get as much range as possible. Not that the first gen quad is bad on range, but a modest improvement could go a long way for my sanity.

 

[mkhuffman]

See the edit I made to my comment. Conserve will engage the rear motors in the tri if throttle is applied beyond what the single front motor can supply. It will give you the power delivery of AP mode in a seamless fashion. AP is more than enough to pass anyone on the highway.

I was not aware the Gen1 Quad would not engage the rear motors under hard acceleration in Conserve. I can see why that would be a concern. Glad I have the Tri.

It is very hard for me to drive under 75 mph unless someone is in front of me. LOL.

 

[Mathme]

I've found that on my truck, a Gen 1 Quad with AT 20s, I really only use Conserve when I'm trying to eke out an extra few miles to a charge stop. Otherwise driving what feels like a melting marshmallow and chewing through my front tires isn't worth the extra 15-18 miles on a typical 80-20% charge.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I've found that on my truck, a Gen 1 Quad with AT 20s, I really only use Conserve when I'm trying to eke out an extra few miles to a charge stop. Otherwise driving what feels like a melting marshmallow and chewing through my front tires isn't worth the extra 15-18 miles on a typical 80-20% charge.

Agreed. I did it a few times and just decided that it was not worth it. Passing power is non-existent in conserve mode. Sounds like Gen 2 remedies this issue with the rear motors kicking in when needed, so that is a plus over the Gen 1.

 

[2kwik4u]

Agreed. I did it a few times and just decided that it was not worth it. Passing power is non-existent in conserve mode. Sounds like Gen 2 remedies this issue with the rear motors kicking in when needed, so that is a plus over the Gen 1.

I would test drive and confirm this "feels OK" for you.

I know the Tri's have two motors in the rear, and the disconnects are "different" than the dual motor setups. I absolutely HATE the way the dual motor feels when it engages on the interstate. It's a noticeable "bump" in the seat that even passengers have asked about. It's not loud, but it's "feelable" when driving. If I decide to get a second gen (big IF at this point), I won't get another dual motor because of how poorly this works. Most people report this is a non-issue. It likely is a non-issue, but on a purchase this big, I think it warrants a check.

It's like a weird blemish on a shiny veneer. Once you see it, you can't "unsee" it. Once you feel the engagement you can't "unfeel" it.

For reference, the 1st Gen Quad motor loaner I've had a few times didn't feel this way at all, but it doesn't have the "on the fly" disconnect the new Tri's have.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I would test drive and confirm this "feels OK" for you.

I know the Tri's have two motors in the rear, and the disconnects are "different" than the dual motor setups. I absolutely HATE the way the dual motor feels when it engages on the interstate. It's a noticeable "bump" in the seat that even passengers have asked about. It's not loud, but it's "feelable" when driving. If I decide to get a second gen (big IF at this point), I won't get another dual motor because of how poorly this works.

It's like a weird blemish on a shiny veneer. Once you see it, you can't "unsee" it. Once you feel the engagement you can't "unfeel" it.

I've seen several forums cover this issue and can only imagine the frustration. I test drove the new dual before settling on the old quad, and that was one of the reasons. While the dual could have given me more range, the inability to have a dedicated conserve button really bothered me. And glad I went with my gut. Even on long trips and highways, I just stay on all purpose. Haven't tested the converse mode on the new tri, but if the engagement of the rear motors feels as jerky, I'd probably just drive it in all purpose mode but at least it would give me the option. In my mind it seems like the tri marries the best of all worlds as far as range and performance.

 

[mkhuffman]

I've seen several trends come up on this and can only imagine the frustration. I test drove the new dual before settling on the old quad, and that was one of the reasons. While the dual could have given me more range, the inability to have a dedicated conserve button really bothered me. And glad I went with my gut. Even on long trips and highways, I just stay on all purpose. Haven't tested the converse mode on the new tri, but if the engagement of the rear motors feels as jerky, I'd probably just drive it in all purpose mode but at least it would give me the option. In my mind it seems like the tri marries the best of all worlds as far as range and performance.

I have noticed the rear motors engaging when in Conserve, but if you accelerate slowly they never do that.

In All Purpose the rears are always engaged. If the priority is comfort, All Purpose on Soft is the best setting.

When you are trying to eek out as many miles as possible, slowly accelerating is what you should be doing anyway. I have had it happen when using cruise control, but it is rare. Therefore to me it is a non-issue.

 

[ElGuano]

I have noticed the rear motors engaging when in Conserve, but if you accelerate slowly they never do that.

Yeah, that's what I've seen too:
1. The rear motors always engage from a stop. They stay engaged until about 35mph, depending on throttle.

2. The rear motors engage dynamically while driving, if you give it a lot of gas.

3. The throttle map is much shallower in Conserve. You have to go deeper into the pedal to get any kind of power.

I would like a "Conserve Lite." AP in all cases, but if you're going over 50mph for more than 10 seconds, it kicks into FWD. That would be perfect for long road trips.

 

[Jivian]

I personally think the conserve mode in the Tri is quite good and I don't notice the motor disconnects / connects in the vast majority of cases. In fact, I question why it isn't the all purpose mode and find the all purpose mode to be kind of pointless.

Also, even for passing, conserve mode is plenty unless you're racing another EV off the line.

Can't argue with a demo drive though.

As far as the other Gen 2 features, I do value the Autonomy, cameras, and slate sky interior (*chef's kiss).

I want to like the dynamic glass but do wish it was more transparent when it's off. In all, I consider it a minor plus because there's a small but perceptible heat reduction when the sun is directly shining on you/passengers and you turn it on. Also, it's fun.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I was not aware the Gen1 Quad would not engage the rear motors under hard acceleration in Conserve. I can see why that would be a concern. Glad I have the Tri.

It is very hard for me to drive under 75 mph unless someone is in front of me. LOL.

Yup, that's the bad part of conserve mode on a gen 1. Conserve is a physical disconnect that completely decouples the rear motors on the gen 1 quad. The only way to use them again is to exit conserve mode, and wait the second or so for the coupling to respond. Obviously this isn't realistic for passing power so you're either turning it off completely for heavier traffic or dealing with sloooow acceleration when trying to manuever.

 

[carsly]

If range is the thing for you, feels like a Dual Max Performance would hit the sweet spot.

Almost as quick as the Tri (probably as quick if the Tri is not in launch mode based on videos I've seen), similar range of drive modes and power for street purposes is quite similar outside of launch mode. Dual Performance will still squeak the tires on full throttle from a standing start so the issue is more available traction than power and both have the same wheel/tire options in terms of contact patch available.

With one less motor on the rear, rated range of 410 miles under ideal temps/conditions is about 10% higher than the tri-motor.

I have a Dual Large Performance. Thought about the Max but reality is I'd normally stop every 200-250 miles on a road trip anyway for food and bathrooms so the extra range of the Max pack really only makes a difference in the dead of winter.

 

[Seano]

We found the Gen 2 extra range (we have 1 Dual motor & 1 Tri motor) was just enough to make the difference for us: our Gen1 Quad couldn’t make a trip we do routinely without charging part way, now in either vehicle, we comfortably make it.

When we put the tri in conserve, on the highway, with cruise and/or highway assist (or whatever it’s called?) - it has almost same left in batt as dual (as it should) maybe 1% diff?

Not that you asked, but you are also aware of the others niceties in the Gen 2 vehicles, I’m sure?

 

[Great Gatsby]

I personally think the conserve mode in the Tri is quite good and I don't notice the motor disconnects / connects in the vast majority of cases. In fact, I question why it isn't the all purpose mode and find the all purpose mode to be kind of pointless.

Also, even for passing, conserve mode is plenty unless you're racing another EV off the line.

Can't argue with a demo drive though.

As far as the other Gen 2 features, I do value the Autonomy, cameras, and slate sky interior (*chef's kiss).

I want to like the dynamic glass but do wish it was more transparent when it's off. In all, I consider it a minor plus because there's a small but perceptible heat reduction when the sun is directly shining on you/passengers and you turn it on. Also, it's fun.

Good feedback! I forgot how much better the cameras were on the Gen 2. Adding that the list of pluses.

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