Rivian brings wrapped R1T & EDV to the DEF CON hacker convention

[Donald Stanfield]

It's not just about selling your data although that's definitely a major concern; it's also about WHEN (not IF) they get hacked with your data.

So, glad Rivian is participating in DEF CON for WHEN they get hacked with YOUR data because they WILL BE HACKED and lose your data.

Have you ever gone to the doctor? I hate to tell you, but the doctor has all your records digitized and available to be hacked. Acting like Rivian is in some unique position to compromise your sensitive information is either ignorant of how vulnerable you are or intentionally disingenuous.

Having to sign a purchase agreement that does NOT allow you to opt out is NOT *commendable* when it could just as easily allow it.

Again, shame on the politicians who do not champion consumer protection laws.

Then again, as long as the manufacturers and their lobbyists are in their pockets, consumer protection is a pipe dream.

You have been shown where to opt out, and have been shown where Rivian allows you to disconnect your vehicle completely by disabling the SIM card. Here's a question for you; since you're so concerned with your data being leaked when was your appointment to have your SIM disabled? Considering you are on here making comment after comment about how your 2014 explorer is better because of the data privacy, when did you take up Rivian's offer to turn your car into the same level of connectivitiy as your shitbox Ford?


My theory is you're here just to piss and moan and don't actually want to fix your problem. Rivian affords you the opportunity to completely disconnect your vehicle from the internet, safeguarding your data entirely. I'm willing to bet you didn't do this, and instead just want to whine about it.

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[Steve A.]

The pre-order agreement was non-binding, which is pretty obvious, so you could have gotten your deposit back at any time before purchase. They changed it later to meet the requirements of the tax credit, but the 2021 version was very simple.

I already showed you that you CAN opt out after purchase. Why else would they be explaining to you that you will lose other features tied to connectivity?

Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?
Vehicle connectivity is a core feature of Rivian vehicles. If you choose to disable all vehicle connectivity, it will prevent data from leaving the vehicle, but it will also limit or disable certain functionality in the vehicle (e.g., navigation, lane keeping assistance, and over-the-air updates, which provide new features, better performance, safety enhancements, and bug fixes).

Yes. Not exactly convenient *by design* but thank you for pointing out that option because it definitely didn't exist when I preordered or purchased my R1S. I wonder how long that option has been available.

I wonder if that can be done via mobile service. If so, I will definitely have it done after I get my R1S back from the body shop (2nd not-my-fault-accident in 7 months) eventually (last time was 5 months), since navigation and and lane assistance both suck. OTA updates will be missed but quite frankly it seems like *significant* Gen 1 updates are few and far between at this point.

 

[Steve A.]

Have you ever gone to the doctor? I hate to tell you, but the doctor has all your records digitized and available to be hacked. Acting like Rivian is in some unique position to compromise your sensitive information is either ignorant of how vulnerable you are or intentionally disingenuous.

You have been shown where to opt out, and have been shown where Rivian allows you to disconnect your vehicle completely by disabling the SIM card. Here's a question for you; since you're so concerned with your data being leaked when was your appointment to have your SIM disabled? Considering you are on here making comment after comment about how your 2014 explorer is better because of the data privacy, when did you take up Rivian's offer to turn your car into the same level of connectivitiy as your shitbox Ford?

My theory is you're here just to piss and moan and don't actually want to fix your problem. Rivian affords you the opportunity to completely disconnect your vehicle from the internet, safeguarding your data entirely. I'm willing to bet you didn't do this, and instead just want to whine about it.

First of all, yes, EVERY service provider keeps private data but they do NOT track your location in real-time. Also, doctors have federal HIPPA laws. You couldn't have used a less relevant comparison.

Considering that I was just informed about the disabling SIM card option hours ago last night, no I haven't booked my SC appointment yet, but I definitely will especially if a mobile service appointment is possible AFTER I get my R1S back from the body shop in a month or two or three.

As far as comment after comment about my 2014 Ford Explorer it was literally one reply to someone who said it was a ridiculous statement that my 2014 Ford Explorer had MANY features better than my 2023 Rivian R1S which I proved in my reply since NO ONE can deny them.

Let me debunk your theory by pointing out that my original post was in reply to point out that Rivian in fact is NO BETTER than any other OEM who collects your private data in real time as it was asserted. Glad they FINALLY have an option to opt out of it but it didn't exist when I purchased my R1S and it should be an option at purchase time.

As usual, I expected the usual fanboi reactions.

 

[COdogman]

Yes. Not exactly convenient *by design* but thank you for pointing out that option because it definitely didn't exist when I preordered or purchased my R1S. I wonder how long that option has been available.

I wonder if that can be done via mobile service. If so, I will definitely have it done after I get my R1S back from the body shop (2nd not-my-fault-accident in 7 months) eventually (last time was 5 months), since navigation and and lane assistance both suck. OTA updates will be missed but quite frankly it seems like *significant* Gen 1 updates are few and far between at this point.

I'm not exactly sure how long that has been on the website, but I am almost positive you are correct and it was not there in 2021/22.

And I agree it's not exactly convenient, which is especially obvious since the included instructions for Canada seem to only require toggling it off in the vehicle settings. That shouldn't require this much effort. I would definitely ask them if it can be done by mobile appointment or even DIY.

Sorry about your accidents - that would drive me crazy

 

[Steve A.]

I'm not exactly sure how long that has been on the website, but I am almost positive you are correct and it was not there in 2021/22.

And I agree it's not exactly convenient, which is especially obvious since the included instructions for Canada seem to only require toggling it off in the vehicle settings. That shouldn't require this much effort. I would definitely ask them if it can be done by mobile appointment or even DIY.

Sorry about your accidents - that would drive me crazy

Roger that.

Thanks for letting me know about the option though. It was definitely a 1st heard and I will definitely do it either way now that I have a SC that's only a 90 min round trip instead of the original 4 hour round trip.

I will miss the OTA updates since there's no way to DIY them but tbh the Gen 1 updates have reached a plateau now that they've addressed many of the original issues. Sure people still complain about the vampire drain but I keep mine plugged in at home and it really hasn't affected me even with a 100+ mile daily commute.

Don't get me wrong. I love my R1S for the performance mostly but there are MANY design decisions I HAVE which Scout purports to address but we shall see.

And while there are many design features that my Expedition have which are better than my R1S, I still HATE having to stop at a gas station literally every 4 days to fill up!

AFAIC I never buying another ICEV again which is why I keep the Expedition since it's paid off.

YMMV

 

[Donald Stanfield]

First of all, yes, EVERY service provider keeps private data but they do NOT track your location in real-time. Also, doctors have federal HIPPA laws. You couldn't have used a less relevant comparison.
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First off, it’s HIPAA. Secondly, wasn’t your gripe about the vulnerability to hackers gaining unauthorized access to your data? How would HIPAA stop that? My dermatologist’s office was hacked and all my personal info got stolen this year, why didn’t HIPAA help me? I’ll tell you why, it does nothing against hackers so my comparison was 100% relevant.

I consider my medical history more sensitive than how many times a week I go to the grocery store so I’m not sure why real time location tracking is so important. Unless you’re a terrorist or drug dealer the only thing location data is good for is selling you shit.

Medical data can be used for all sorts of nefarious purposes

Considering that I was just informed about the disabling SIM card option hours ago last night, no I haven't booked my SC appointment yet, but I definitely will especially if a mobile service appointment is possible AFTER I get my R1S back from the body shop in a month or two or three.

As far as comment after comment about my 2014 Ford Explorer it was literally one reply to someone who said it was a ridiculous statement that my 2014 Ford Explorer had MANY features better than my 2023 Rivian R1S which I proved in my reply since NO ONE can deny them.

What do you mean “you were just informed last night”? For someone seemingly so concerned about Rivian collecting data on you, to the point of electing your shit box Ford the superior choice, surely you’ve read the privacy policy before now.

Comparing a 2014 Ford explorer to a new Rivian is like comparing a tricycle to a rocket ship. It’s asinine, and from your lack of due diligence and personal responsibility regarding the privacy policy, it’s clear you just want to bloviate about how muh Rivian stole muh data.

Claiming Rivian baited and switched you in an attempt to get your valuable data when the privacy policy is easily found and the opt out has been there as long as I can remember is pathetic. Let us know when you get Rivian to disable your SIM. Until then, quit your whining and enjoy your tricycle.

 

[Steve A.]

First off, it’s HIPAA. Secondly, wasn’t your gripe about the vulnerability to hackers gaining unauthorized access to your data? How would HIPAA stop that? My dermatologist’s office was hacked and all my personal info got stolen this year, why didn’t HIPAA help me? I’ll tell you why, it does nothing against hackers so my comparison was 100% relevant.

I consider my medical history more sensitive than how many times a week I go to the grocery store so I’m not sure why real time location tracking is so important. Unless you’re a terrorist or drug dealer the only thing location data is good for is selling you shit.

Medical data can be used for all sorts of nefarious purposes





What do you mean “you were just informed last night”? For someone seemingly so concerned about Rivian collecting data on you, to the point of electing your shit box Ford the superior choice, surely you’ve read the privacy policy before now.

Comparing a 2014 Ford explorer to a new Rivian is like comparing a tricycle to a rocket ship. It’s asinine, and from your lack of due diligence and personal responsibility regarding the privacy policy, it’s clear you just want to bloviate about how muh Rivian stole muh data.

Claiming Rivian baited and switched you in an attempt to get your valuable data when the privacy policy is easily found and the opt out has been there as long as I can remember is pathetic. Let us know when you get Rivian to disable your SIM. Until then, quit your whining and enjoy your tricycle.

Perhaps English is not your 1st language or maybe your reading comprehension just sucks but to reiterate the point of my original reply was not to whine but to debunk the false narrative that Rivian does more for customer privacy than other OEMs while not allowing you to EASILY opt out of private data collection at point of sale.

And, yes I did plenty of due diligence before my preorder and and even contributed to several other threads regarding the topic since my purchase but this is the first time that anyone mentioned the post-sales option.

No I don't monitor every page on the Rivian website but I do read every email received by Rivian and ZERO were received announcing this option as far back as I can tell; feel free to post it here if I missed it.

And sure, no laws HIPAA or otherwise completely stop all crime but at least it requires companies to be compliant or face large fines unlike auto OEMs.

And, I only hope that my R1S lasts as long as my 11 year old 220K+ Ford, but I HIGHLY doubt the TCO will be close once the warranty is up and I have to pay $900/year to replace my 12V battery due to yet another stupid Rivian design decision much worse than their stupid interior design decisions which must have been made by a bunch of college interns who never owned a real truck.

Otherwise, I'll continue to enjoy the performance which is the key differentiator and the primary reason why I made the purchase decision other than it was the 1st EV truck on the market, that is until Scout delivers a better product which seemingly addresses every bad Rivian design decision, and I trade in my R1S.

Until then keep drinking the kool-aid and I'll keep replying to WTH I want and expect the usual fanboi Stockholm Syndrome reactions from you.

Have a blessed day.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Yes. Not exactly convenient *by design* but thank you for pointing out that option because it definitely didn't exist when I preordered or purchased my R1S. I wonder how long that option has been available.

I wonder if that can be done via mobile service. If so, I will definitely have it done after I get my R1S back from the body shop (2nd not-my-fault-accident in 7 months) eventually (last time was 5 months), since navigation and and lane assistance both suck. OTA updates will be missed but quite frankly it seems like *significant* Gen 1 updates are few and far between at this point.

From your posts nothing is really your fault is it? If you don't like the service times maybe try stopping hitting shit and learn how to drive? I don't use the lane assistance or navigation and I've had a Rivian since '22 and haven't hit anything.

Edit: grammar

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Perhaps English is not your 1st language or maybe your reading comprehension just sucks but to reiterate the point of my original reply was not to whine but to debunk the false narrative that Rivian does more for customer privacy than other OEMs while not allowing you to EASILY opt out of private data collection at point of sale.

And, yes I did plenty of due diligence before my preorder and and even contributed to several other threads regarding the topic since my purchase but this is the first time that anyone mentioned the post-sales option.

No I don't monitor every page on the Rivian website but I do read every email received by Rivian and ZERO were received announcing this option as far back as I can tell; feel free to post it here if I missed it.

And sure, no laws HIPAA or otherwise completely stop all crime but at least it requires companies to be compliant or face large fines unlike auto OEMs.

And, I only hope that my R1S lasts as long as my 11 year old 220K+ Ford, but I HIGHLY doubt the TCO will be close once the warranty is up and I have to pay $900/year to replace my 12V battery due to yet another stupid Rivian design decision much worse than their stupid interior design decisions which must have been made by a bunch of college interns who never owned a real truck.

Otherwise, I'll continue to enjoy the performance which is the key differentiator and the primary reason why I made the purchase decision other than it was the 1st EV truck on the market, that is until Scout delivers a better product which seemingly addresses every bad Rivian design decision, and I trade in my R1S.

Until then keep drinking the kool-aid and I'll keep replying to WTH I want and expect the usual fanboi Stockholm Syndrome reactions from you.

Have a blessed day.

Rivian DOES allow you to opt out of data collection, and their privacy policy has been on their website since 2021 as was shown to you. The problem for you, is that you just need to take a little personal responsibility. I know that phrase is like nails on a chalkboard to you but sorry you need to suck it up buttercup. I knew I could brick my R1 back in 2022 when I bought the thing, but I bought it FOR the connectivity.

This must be your first expensive car. I'm sorry to tell you that ALL cars in this price range are expensive to fix. You might be better off switching back to Ford. It seems like they make cars more suited to people like yourself.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

Comparing a 2014 Ford explorer to a new Rivian is like comparing a tricycle to a rocket ship. It’s asinine, and from your lack of due diligence and personal responsibility regarding the privacy policy, it’s clear you just want to bloviate about how muh Rivian stole muh data.

Dude must be posting all this anti-Rivian nonsense from inside a cave, otherwise I find the privacy rants pretty absurd and hypocritical. Guarantee he's posting from a device that tracks his location and habits, records what he's doing, and sells it to the highest bidder. Using social media sites that track everything he does. Same thing for at least a half-dozen other devices in his house. Phones, laptops, tablets, heck, even lightbulbs and the toaster are tracking what you're doing now. I can't drive to the grocery store without being recorded on 50 different security cameras, license plate readers, and other tech, probably all sourced from the lowest bidder, and probably all made in China.

The privacy ship has sailed. Or I suppose the alternative - live in a cave and only buy 1950's era appliances is also an option.

Edit: Dude's bio says he's a "code slinger". Tell us you've never written any code that records people's personal data, or admit to the hypocrisy.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Dude must be posting all this anti-Rivian nonsense from inside a cave, otherwise I find the privacy rants pretty absurd and hypocritical. Guarantee he's posting from a device that tracks his location and habits, records what he's doing, and sells it to the highest bidder. Using social media sites that track everything he does. Same thing for at least a half-dozen other devices in his house. Phones, laptops, tablets, heck, even lightbulbs and the toaster are tracking what you're doing now. I can't drive to the grocery store without being recorded on 50 different security cameras, license plate readers, and other tech, probably all sourced from the lowest bidder, and probably all made in China.

The privacy ship has sailed. Or I suppose the alternative - live in a cave and only buy 1950's era appliances is also an option.

Edit: Dude's bio says he's a "code slinger". Tell us you've never written any code that records people's personal data, or admit to the hypocrisy.

But it's not his fault because nothing is his fault, even getting it two accidents in 7 months or not reading a privacy policy.

 

[Steve A.]

From your posts nothing is really your fault is it? If you don't like the service times maybe try stopping hitting shit and learning how to drive? I don't use the lane assistance or navigation and I've had a Rivian since '22 and haven't hit anything.

According to state driving laws and the other parties' insurance companies,neither was my fault but if you can avoid getting rear-ended in a tunnel and the 76 year old at the stop sign not seeing you untill after she t-boned you then you're more full of sh!t than I realized.

And for the record, neither situation does the lane assist work even if I had used it which I don't because it SUCKS.

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