Rivian in Europe when?

[Iain Robinson]

It's great seeing all the posts with regard to production and deliveries in the States, (God bless America), but when are we likely to see vehicles in Europe, and, especially right-hand drive vehicles for the UK? My guess is, currently, 2025. And when will you start accepting European/UK pre-orders?

Then there's the question of what is planned in the way of production in Europe, and will these facilities only produce the next generation of Rivians (R2...'s)?

Keep up the forums, they're an excellent source for information.

Cheers,

Iain R.
Shetland Islands, UK

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[Guy]

It's great seeing all the posts with regard to production and deliveries in the States, (God bless America), but when are we likely to see vehicles in Europe, and, especially right-hand drive vehicles for the UK? My guess is, currently, 2025. And when will you start accepting European/UK pre-orders?

Then there's the question of what is planned in the way of production in Europe, and will these facilities only produce the next generation of Rivians (R2...'s)?

Keep up the forums, they're an excellent source for information.

Cheers,

Iain R.
Shetland Islands, UK

Your estimate of 2025 makes sense as I wouldn’t expect a European factory (new or refurb) announced until 2024 with maybe production in 2026. They can supply from the US for a period of time.

 

[mkg3]

Your estimate of 2025 makes sense as I wouldn’t expect a European factory (new or refurb) announced until 2024 with maybe production in 2026. They can supply from the US for a period of time.

I think you'll see Euro factory sooner than that for ECV, not R2.

The issue is do they want to be in the continental EU or in UK (since they already have a presence there). One of the primary reason Tesla didn't. pick UK is the added distribution costs and exchange flux btw Sterling and Euro, then back to Dollar. Even with Chunnel, Berlin is in Central Europe and is more advantages for distribution network.

 

[Guy]

I think you'll see Euro factory sooner than that for ECV, not R2.

The issue is do they want to be in the continental EU or in UK (since they already have a presence there). One of the primary reason Tesla didn't. pick UK is the added distribution costs and exchange flux btw Sterling and Euro, then back to Dollar. Even with Chunnel, Berlin is in Central Europe and is more advantages for distribution network.

I agree Germany makes sense form a central location. I also agree EDV may well start before R1 consumer vehicles. Personally I think it will the R1C or whatever the two row SUV is that would be the big seller in Europe. That will likely not be out until 2024 and built in Georgia.

 

[Iain Robinson]

I think that Rivian are under estimating the interest in Europe over the R1T and R1S, and suspect that there will be even more enquiries once the plans for Europe are revealed.

There appears to be a sizeable opinion that the R1T and R1S are too big for the UK and Europe, but the figures for their dimension show them to be only marginally larger (by millimetres only) than the Range Rover, and this vehicle is definitely not considered to be excessively large for our roads.

Lets hope that Rivian can announce something soon as to when they hope to hit UK/Europe. I don't want to wait for a factory in Europe to produce a next generation mid-sized (R2/R3..) vehicle.

Cheers all.

 

[Guy]

The River River (and other Chelsea wagons as they are dismissively uncalled in the UK) are large by UK standards and do not fit in standard garages. You are very few trucks in the UK too.

Sure some would sell in the UK but not a large number due to size and cost. The smaller two row vehicle will be the seller and I don’t expect UK sales until 2025.

 

[Iain Robinson]

The River River (and other Chelsea wagons as they are dismissively uncalled in the UK) are large by UK standards and do not fit in standard garages. You are very few trucks in the UK too.

Sure some would sell in the UK but not a large number due to size and cost. The smaller two row vehicle will be the seller and I don’t expect UK sales until 2025.

Living in the extreme North of Scotland, I'm wanting a vehicle can carry the whole family and all it's gear. The Rivian is far smaller than any heavy goods vehicle and they manage to get round our roads.

I wouldn't want to keep any R1S/R1T in a garage, it's there to be used. If it needs to be protected from the weather is not the vehicle for us.

 

[kvenom]

Take a guess, then add a 9-12 month delay to it.

 

[Taycanfrank]

There appears to be a sizeable opinion that the R1T and R1S are too big for the UK and Europe, but the figures for their dimension show them to be only marginally larger (by millimetres only) than the Range Rover, and this vehicle is definitely not considered to be excessively large for our roads.

The R1T/R1S are both 4 inches wider than a Range Rover. That's a significant problem for the largest car buying countries in Europe, where narrow streets are a real problem. If they can't sell en masse to France/Germany/UK, they won't bother.

The other dimensions are an issue as well but the Rivian cars are very, very wide by any standard.

I don't expect the R1T/R1S to ever be offered direct to customers in Europe. If they get production rolling on these cars and great success, I expect the next Rivian to be more of a crossover or sports wagon and potentially target Europe as well.

 

[Guy]

Living in the extreme North of Scotland, I'm wanting a vehicle can carry the whole family and all it's gear. The Rivian is far smaller than any heavy goods vehicle and they manage to get round our roads.

I wouldn't want to keep any R1S/R1T in a garage, it's there to be used. If it needs to be protected from the weather is not the vehicle for us.

Most people would garage if they can to enable charging, protect from the weather etc. yes there are large vehicles like transit vans etc that go on UK roads but you know vehicles like the BMW X7, Range Rover etc are considered very large. The Golf is a mid size car by UK standards yet compact in the US. There is generally less space, especially in urban areas for large vehicles.

 

[Rlorenzoa]

The R1T/R1S are both 4 inches wider than a Range Rover. That's a significant problem for the largest car buying countries in Europe, where narrow streets are a real problem. If they can't sell en masse to France/Germany/UK, they won't bother.

The other dimensions are an issue as well but the Rivian cars are very, very wide by any standard.

I don't expect the R1T/R1S to ever be offered direct to customers in Europe. If they get production rolling on these cars and great success, I expect the next Rivian to be more of a crossover or sports wagon and potentially target Europe as well.

France? Neee they only buy French cars…

 

[Rlorenzoa]

It's great seeing all the posts with regard to production and deliveries in the States, (God bless America), but when are we likely to see vehicles in Europe, and, especially right-hand drive vehicles for the UK? My guess is, currently, 2025. And when will you start accepting European/UK pre-orders?

Then there's the question of what is planned in the way of production in Europe, and will these facilities only produce the next generation of Rivians (R2...'s)?

Keep up the forums, they're an excellent source for information.

Cheers,

Iain R.
Shetland Islands, UK

I think they will start to sell small amounts of dual motor knock-down kits euro built. Why the dual motor only? Weight. With the quad motor you only have 350 kg left in your license to carry 7 people and equipment… not happening…
With the dual motor they can save some kilos (les cooper winding but a couple of differentials ) and give some extra allowed weight within the license… let’s hope we get it soon (meaning 2024 the earliest)

 

[moosehead]

IMO, Rivian has enough on its plate as it is.

Focus on US execution is everything right now, as they cannot satisfy demand here and had a ($2.5B) loss last quarter.

Meanwhile, capitalization options are under pressure, as is their $18.6B in cash, hard as it seems.

 

[crashmtb]

I think they will start to sell small amounts of dual motor knock-down kits euro built. Why the dual motor only? Weight. With the quad motor you only have 350 kg left in your license to carry 7 people and equipment… not happening…
With the dual motor they can save some kilos (les cooper winding but a couple of differentials ) and give some extra allowed weight within the license… let’s hope we get it soon (meaning 2024 the earliest)

CKD seems unlikel, why go to thst addEd layer of complexity?. It’s clear from job postings they are preparing to sell their commercial vans in EMEA though.

 

[Rlorenzoa]

CKD seems unlikel, why go to thst addEd layer of complexity?. It’s clear from job postings they are preparing to sell their commercial vans in EMEA though.

two words: import duties. By doing cdk you “make the car made in Europe” of some sort, reducing the import tax. In cases like this is also done to add specific items related to local regulations: rear view mirrors, lights, reflectors; and to perform specific regulatory tests. It would cost a lot of money to ask suppliers in the us to do the parts and then ship them assembled or modify the assembly line (logistic flows) for such a low volume. Instead, source locally, avoid changes to your main production and increase your European coefficient….

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