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I took delivery of a 2026 Rivian R1S Trimax a couple of days ago. Unfortunately, I had a Really poor leasing and delivery experience. It started with the sales associate at Rivian being very difficult and unhelpful as I tried to navigate the order/transfer/incentive process. In general the sales associate was what I would call a “Dr. No” type, which is not what you want in a sales person. Saying no to everything, and not offering alternative solutions.
Then the leasing process was very difficult. First they would not allow me to lease the car to my business even though I personally was a co-applicant on the car with 824 credit. I could never get an answer why, it was just no. I would Have walked away if not for the current and soon to be gone leasing incentives.
So after relenting to just doing a personal lease that will now cost me thousands more, at the last minute they changed my residual value on the car a couple thousand dollars, causing my payment to increase. This was the day before delivery. I was not happy and pointed it out to them and they just said ”yes that happens sometimes at the end of the month” Keep in mind, this was in the first couple days of September. They said if I had redone my financing 2 days earlier I would have gotten the higher residual value and thus lower payment. Now I was really upset as I had already done my financing a week earlier under my business and me personally which they had denied me on.
Nobody called me and said that my payment could go up if my new financing under me personally was not done by the end of the month. When I asked why someone had not made me aware of the upcoming change in value, they just kept saying, “Do you want to move forward or not”. As I have been researching the car for a while and had seen dozens of people online get “customer accommodations“ for $2-3,000 dollars as incentives to purchase, I asked her for a customer accommodation to make up for the last second price/payment change. She just said ”no, do you want to move forward or not”. I asked to speak to a manager and she said ”I am the manager”. I was in a tough spot as I would normally walk away in such a situation, but as I said the incentives pushed me forward.
When I arrived for delivery, no one was there to greet me. After waiting for about 5 minutes, a woman came out and I told her my name and that I was there for a delivery. She turned around and walked right back into her office and another woman came out to do the delivery. Turned out the first woman was the manager. She did not engage me in any way. No conversation or apology. No attempt to smooth out what had been a very rough experience.
Now I am dealing with some of the more normal problems I have read about online. Hood not aligned correctly, misaligned carpet, rattle in one speaker, and missing 25 miles of range.
I’m sure like many of you I am rooting for Rivian to survive, but as a young struggling car company, they need to create good will and long term customers. There is no room for this type of treatment or transaction. In addition, just for the record I never yelled or screamed or carried on with their sales people. I just don’t do that. I was always respectful even when really unhappy.
Hopefully, I can get the fixes on the car taken care of and will have a good ownership experience going forward, but it’s been a very rough start. Rivian, you must do better
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That's too bad you had an unfortunate experience. My local service center (Glen Burnie, MD) was stellar, friendly, and professional from start to finish. At pick up, greeted by name, signed the paperwork, was given in depth instructions and a walk through on the R1T.

Had a minor rattle that I scheduled to be fixed in the door panels and was promptly accommodated. Did a ride along with the technical service rep who confirmed the issue, provided loaner R1T, and problem was repaired quickly.

I will admit the entire "Guide" process was somewhat opaque and I felt communications could have been better as things changed in the portal on activities during the month long process from order commitment, leasing paperwork. Often I had to leave messages for the Guide or had my service center sales contact handle issues. Overall, going in, I didn't even know what a Guide was but figured it out along the way.

Hoping you enjoy your new vehicle once the issues get resolved. The rattle in both doors was the only issue I had.
 

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OP- please reformat using paragraphs, I guarantee more will read it that way....
 

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missing 25 miles of range
Huh? When you say things like this, it makes me less likely to believe this is a Rivian problem, and more likely to believe this is a you problem.

And didn't you already have a separate thread to discuss some of this?

If you've ever leased before, or ever taken a loan out of any kind, you would be aware that interest rates change. With some loans, they will allow you to lock in the rate for some period like 30 days. For leases, which are offered by the financing company, lease terms are typically reset every month and the dealer (Rivian in this case) has no control over that change. Nor do they have any knowledge of what the new terms will be until just before they change. The terms include residual, money factor (interest rate), etc. Was there a provision in your contract to lock the interest rate? I doubt it. Would you be complaining if the rate went *down*? I doubt it.
 

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I had the exact opposite experience but it sucks you went through that. Not all employees are amazing but many more people have had positive experiences than negative.
 
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Huh? When you say things like this, it makes me less likely to believe this is a Rivian problem, and more likely to believe this is a you problem.

And didn't you already have a separate thread to discuss some of this?

If you've ever leased before, or ever taken a loan out of any kind, you would be aware that interest rates change. With some loans, they will allow you to lock in the rate for some period like 30 days. For leases, which are offered by the financing company, lease terms are typically reset every month and the dealer (Rivian in this case) has no control over that change. Nor do they have any knowledge of what the new terms will be until just before they change. The terms include residual, money factor (interest rate), etc. Was there a provision in your contract to lock the interest rate? I doubt it. Would you be complaining if the rate went *down*? I doubt it.
Yes, I have an R1S TriMax with 22” Sport Bright wheels. In all purpose mode my car should have a rated range of 371 when new. Mine brand new at 100% state of charge only has 346. 371-346=25. That would be 25 miles of missing range. One of the main reasons I paid up for a max battery is so that I can make a long trip I make somewhat frequently without having to stop and charge. Without those miles, I can’t make it. That’s a big deal. Yes, I know that real world range will generally be less and vary based on different conditions. But my rated range should sure as hell be what they quote or better when the car is brand new.

As for my residual value and payment is concerned. If I am buying a car or anything and am quoted a certain price, rate, residual, or payment, then that is the price and rate I am expecting to pay….period. If something changes at the very least, I expect to be notified of that change In advance. I was never notified and only caught it when signing the final paperwork. That is not OK, it’s not transparent, and it’s not good business.
 

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Yes, I have an R1S TriMax with 22” Sport Bright wheels. In all purpose mode my car should have a rated range of 371 when new. Mine brand new at 100% state of charge only has 346. 371-346=25. That would be 25 miles of missing range. One of the main reasons I paid up for a max battery is so that I can make a long trip I make somewhat frequently without having to stop and charge. Without those miles, I can’t make it. That’s a big deal. Yes, I know that real world range will generally be less and vary based on different conditions. But my rated range should sure as hell be what they quote or better when the car is brand new.

As for my residual value and payment is concerned. If I am buying a car or anything and am quoted a certain price, rate, residual, or payment, then that is the price and rate I am expecting to pay….period. If something changes at the very least, I expect to be notified of that change In advance. I was never notified and only caught it when signing the final paperwork. That is not OK, it’s not transparent, and it’s not good business.
So you are mostly upset that you wanted to lease in a way that the lender wouldn't do it (Rivian is not in charge of the lease terms, the lender is), and they wouldn't simply disregard their rule-set to accommodate you?
As for the "missing range", if you did any research at all on EVs generally then you would know that range (as reported by the vehicle in miles or kilometers) is only an estimate based on variable information. It might go up or down over time, but the general statement "missing 25 miles of range" is silly.
While it would be great if everyone had a fantastic delivery experience, it is also helpful if the consumers more reasonably manage their expectations....
 

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Just took delivery of a dual max performance on Saturday in northern CA. Process was seamless. People were helpful. SUV is great. Only disappointment was to discover that car was manufactured a year ago (9/24). Apparently it sat in inventory for a year. Talked to a fellow new R1S owner (3 weeks old, exact same specs) yesterday and his was built in August 2024.

It's a lease so I don't really care since I most likely won't buy it out and overall deal was great. Plus R1S is really nice.
 

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Yes, I have an R1S TriMax with 22” Sport Bright wheels. In all purpose mode my car should have a rated range of 371 when new. Mine brand new at 100% state of charge only has 346. 371-346=25. That would be 25 miles of missing range. One of the main reasons I paid up for a max battery is so that I can make a long trip I make somewhat frequently without having to stop and charge. Without those miles, I can’t make it. That’s a big deal. Yes, I know that real world range will generally be less and vary based on different conditions. But my rated range should sure as hell be what they quote or better when the car is brand new.

As for my residual value and payment is concerned. If I am buying a car or anything and am quoted a certain price, rate, residual, or payment, then that is the price and rate I am expecting to pay….period. If something changes at the very least, I expect to be notified of that change In advance. I was never notified and only caught it when signing the final paperwork. That is not OK, it’s not transparent, and it’s not good business.
Just curious.

How did you determine rated range was 346 at delivery? Where did you see that number? Photo?
 

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Yes, I have an R1S TriMax with 22” Sport Bright wheels. In all purpose mode my car should have a rated range of 371 when new. Mine brand new at 100% state of charge only has 346. 371-346=25. That would be 25 miles of missing range. One of the main reasons I paid up for a max battery is so that I can make a long trip I make somewhat frequently without having to stop and charge. Without those miles, I can’t make it. That’s a big deal. Yes, I know that real world range will generally be less and vary based on different conditions. But my rated range should sure as hell be what they quote or better when the car is brand new.

As for my residual value and payment is concerned. If I am buying a car or anything and am quoted a certain price, rate, residual, or payment, then that is the price and rate I am expecting to pay….period. If something changes at the very least, I expect to be notified of that change In advance. I was never notified and only caught it when signing the final paperwork. That is not OK, it’s not transparent, and it’s not good business.
Mine is also 346 in all purpose mode at full charge. It is 371 at full charge in conserve mode. I believe the stated 371 miles is base strictly on conserve mode.
 
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Mine is also 346 in all purpose mode at full charge. It is 371 at full charge in conserve mode. I believe the stated 371 miles is base strictly on conserve mode.
That is not correct actually. It says right on their site, 371 mile range and 405 miles in conserve mode. This is for a 2026 TriMax
 
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Just curious.

How did you determine rated range was 346 at delivery? Where did you see that number? Photo?
I charged to 100% state of charge the second day I had the car. As you can see it shows 100% and “all purpose mode”. It should be at least 371 rated miles

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That is not correct actually. It says right on their site, 371 mile range and 405 miles in conserve mode. This is for a 2026 TriMax
It also has an asterisk (*) next to those numbers, which states:
Official EPA range values are noted. Other range estimates are preliminary estimates based on the EPA test cycle and are not official EPA values. The EPA estimates range through a series of standardized lab tests that mimic real world conditions. Factors including tires, drive modes, HVAC settings and accessories can all have an impact on range.​
 
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Yes, I have an R1S TriMax with 22” Sport Bright wheels. In all purpose mode my car should have a rated range of 371 when new. Mine brand new at 100% state of charge only has 346. 371-346=25. That would be 25 miles of missing range. One of the main reasons I paid up for a max battery is so that I can make a long trip I make somewhat frequently without having to stop and charge. Without those miles, I can’t make it. That’s a big deal. Yes, I know that real world range will generally be less and vary based on different conditions. But my rated range should sure as hell be what they quote or better when the car is brand new.

As for my residual value and payment is concerned. If I am buying a car or anything and am quoted a certain price, rate, residual, or payment, then that is the price and rate I am expecting to pay….period. If something changes at the very least, I expect to be notified of that change In advance. I was never notified and only caught it when signing the final paperwork. That is not OK, it’s not transparent, and it’s not good business.
Those range numbers displayed by the car are just calculated estimates and are based on a number of driving factors. It's the same for all EVs. Never take it for gospel.
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