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Motor Trend article on EV vs ICE cost of ownership

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It's tough to compare insurance rates even when not factoring ICE vs EV, just due to how personalized they can be person to person.
Other than my EV motorcycle, my EV rates are astronomically lower than they were with ICE. As in half, even though the car price (insured value) went up by 4x. The EV moto is a bitch, nearly 2x the old motorcycle, however, the insured value is also over 3x.

I've posted my dec page here before, my rate is extremely low on the Rivian, and also was on the Tesla before it. The Rivian is cheaper despite costing far more to replace/fix.
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If you didn't finance you have to figure in the income you lost by not investing the money you spent on the car. Economists call this alternative use cost. Many people don't understand this, but it is a very real cost. It is related to a concept called time value of money (TVM).
Absolutely! I leased and ran numbers beforehand to understand this. Over the three year lease I gain $10K in investment gains. Of course you have to compare to your lease/finance terms because eventually as interest rates or money factor grow there is a crossover where gains become losses.
 

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Other than my EV motorcycle, my EV rates are astronomically lower than they were with ICE. As in half, even though the car price (insured value) went up by 4x. The EV moto is a bitch, nearly 2x the old motorcycle, however, the insured value is also over 3x.

I've posted my dec page here before, my rate is extremely low on the Rivian, and also was on the Tesla before it. The Rivian is cheaper despite costing far more to replace/fix.
Sometimes, too - rates will rise/fall depending on how many payouts on that particular vehicle. I’m thinking as safety features increase, certain types of collisions are reduced which keeps payouts down which keeps rates lower.
 

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I’m thinking as safety features increase, certain types of collisions are reduced which keeps payouts down which keeps rates lower.
My thought also. Things like Autopilot and truly advanced ADAS obviously make us safer, so the cost would reflect it.
 

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EVs can save money, but not for all. With local EV taxes, mileage, gas prices and incentives, it's will vary by region and personal situation.

Having said that EVs have a safety advantage while driving. Not so much while parked 😞. That was a winning argument for me.
 

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If you didn't finance you have to figure in the income you lost by not investing the money you spent on the car. Economists call this alternative use cost. Many people don't understand this, but it is a very real cost. It is related to a concept called time value of money (TVM).
That is much harder to account for than it would seem. Investments are not usually a guaranteed return, especially at a rate to offset a loan.

In California it is not hard to reach income tax rates between federal and state to be around 34% so you need to average better than 10% to cover a 7% loan rate.
 

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Just to put it in context, $10k in 5 yrs is $2K/yr, or $38/wk.

If one didn't have home charging I can easily see spending ~$40/wk charging the vehicle.
or live in a state with expensive electricity. $38 comes pretty fast when you think about is 110 or so Kw.

I definitely like data a little too much and I do track the cost of all of my vehicles, when I had my R1T it wasn’t that much less expensive than my bronco raptor which gets 15 miles per gallon.
 

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Just to put it in context, $10k in 5 yrs is $2K/yr, or $38/wk.

If one didn't have home charging I can easily see spending ~$40/wk charging the vehicle.
We didn't have l2 chargers at the new house for 3 months - and were spending over $50 a week on each of our R1's charging at L3 chargers. It was painful - suddenly our R1's went from being fantastically economic to run to costing ~8x as much.
 

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If you didn't finance you have to figure in the income you lost by not investing the money you spent on the car. Economists call this alternative use cost. Many people don't understand this, but it is a very real cost. It is related to a concept called time value of money (TVM).
There would still be a negative delta between the interest rate they claimed for the financed amount and what I could reasonably expect to make on money in a "high" interest money market account.
 

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They also include financing cost as a factor. What if you didn't finance?
Better in my opinion to go with the average vehicle life of 12 years and assume everyone pays cash. Interest is just a personal cost on top.
 

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That is much harder to account for than it would seem. Investments are not usually a guaranteed return, especially at a rate to offset a loan.

In California it is not hard to reach income tax rates between federal and state to be around 34% so you need to average better than 10% to cover a 7% loan rate.
Agreed. TVM calculations require assumptions because hard data is not usually available. Economics is messy that way. Opinions and guesses matter. You have to do the best you can.
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