First R2 validation build vehicle rolls off the production line!

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

Because other manufacturers like Volvo (upcoming EX60) and BMW iX3 will be that price but with longer range, faster charging and a more Premium brand.

To be fair, we actually don't know what the range or charging speed is. They announced what it would be 2 years ago, but even then It wasn't even a concrete number back then let alone 2 years later after they've made some changes and turned it from concept to reality. So you can't say the other manufactures are longer range and faster charging when we do not know the specific details. will it be 400 miles. Maybe not, but range past 300 may not be as important to some people as perhaps the made in America label or the perception of offroad capability (even though it will never go off road), the software, or even just the boxy look.

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[DuoRivian]

To be fair, we actually don't know what the range or charging speed is. They announced what it would be 2 years ago, but even then It wasn't even a concrete number back then let alone 2 years later after they've made some changes and turned it from concept to reality. So you can't say the other manufactures are longer range and faster charging when we do not know the specific details. will it be 400 miles. Maybe not, but range past 300 may not be as important to some people as perhaps the made in America label or the perception of offroad capability (even though it will never go off road), the software, or even just the boxy look.

We do know and full details are revealed next week but they have said 400kW charging and over 500 WLTP which equates to close to 400 miles EPA. We know more about these vehicles than the R2 currently!

 

[savethemanual]

Looking at the MY, it seems to sell just fine without 800v Architecture and the advantages that come with that. At some point down the road though, Rivian will have to have faster charging speeds and better efficiency as consumers will notice they can get more with other brands at similar price.

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

We do know and full details are revealed next week but they have said 400kW charging and over 500 WLTP which equates to close to 400 miles EPA. We know more about these vehicles than the R2 currently!

Did you get a press release the rest of us didn't because besides teh 400kw charging, I have not heard anything about a definite EPA number other than "it will definitely have over 300" but no actual number or even if all trims will be over 300. as for charging speed, not an issue for me. I have a lvl 2 charger in my house and don't road trip. as long as its over 300, I'm pretty okay. 400 is nice, but not a requirement. And I like Rivian as a company. No other manufacture actually made me care about any car. They did.

 

[DuoRivian]

Did you get a press release the rest of us didn't because besides teh 400kw charging, I have not heard anything about a definite EPA number other than "it will definitely have over 300" but no actual number or even if all trims will be over 300. as for charging speed, not an issue for me. I have a lvl 2 charger in my house and don't road trip. as long as its over 300, I'm pretty okay. 400 is nice, but not a requirement. And I like Rivian as a company. No other manufacture actually made me care about any car. They did.

They quoted on their press release (available to all https://www.volvocars.com/mt/news/articles/ex60-long-range-fast-charging/) a 800 km plus range (very similar to the BMW iX3). We know WLTP is more optimistic (less realistic) than the EPA. Going off what BMW quotes then a 400 (plus/minus) range is feasible.
No need to be snide.

Whether you or I want or need 400 mile range is irrelevant since if Rivian goes into the $55-60k with substantially slower charging and a smaller range (unknown currently) then the will be at a disadvantaged, especially against premium brands,

 

[eSUBA94]

Meanwhile, Nissan is struggling to build a factory and production line in 5 years, but in their ads they claim they're innovative.

 

[jeeden]

I always thought the discussions around range were interesting. Let's pretend that tomorrow, the same battery size could provide 1000 miles of range.

Whoever said that any manufacturer would produce a vehicle with that range? They would still just produce the same vehicle with, based on their studies, with the optimal amount of range (probably around 300 or 400 miles), and then put a smaller battery in the vehicle so they had more room for other stuff or a lighter weight.

It's just like manufacturers do now with gas tanks.

Then again, the whole range discussion is odd anyway because the premise of the discussion is that you need more range because you can't charge away from home quickly, easily, chargers aren't available, etc.

 

[Sportstick]

I always thought the discussions around range were interesting. Let's pretend that tomorrow, the same battery size could provide 1000 miles of range.

Whoever said that any manufacturer would produce a vehicle with that range? They would still just produce the same vehicle with, based on their studies, with the optimal amount of range (probably around 300 or 400 miles), and then put a smaller battery in the vehicle so they had more room for other stuff or a lighter weight.

It's just like manufacturers do now with gas tanks.

Then again, the whole range discussion is odd anyway because the premise of the discussion is that you need more range because you can't charge away from home quickly, easily, chargers aren't available, etc.

I agree. I don’t need much range as I would manage recharging an EV much the same as my phone and watch, except I wouldn’t need to plug in to my garage wall charger nightly. For anything more than a couple of hours’ distance, we fly, so no long range ever needed. 200 miles would be fine if there were offsetting benefits such as the safety of LFP.

 

[captainjp]

I always thought the discussions around range were interesting. Let's pretend that tomorrow, the same battery size could provide 1000 miles of range.

Whoever said that any manufacturer would produce a vehicle with that range? They would still just produce the same vehicle with, based on their studies, with the optimal amount of range (probably around 300 or 400 miles), and then put a smaller battery in the vehicle so they had more room for other stuff or a lighter weight.

It's just like manufacturers do now with gas tanks.

Then again, the whole range discussion is odd anyway because the premise of the discussion is that you need more range because you can't charge away from home quickly, easily, chargers aren't available, etc.

Agree. Super long range just isn’t as important as it used to be. The anxiety associated with range/charging infrastructure isn’t quite so prevalent anymore.

 

[kurtlikevonnegut]

Agree. Super long range just isn’t as important as it used to be. The anxiety associated with range/charging infrastructure isn’t quite so prevalent anymore.

I just did a trip that I had done 2 years ago in reverse, 1200 miles from San Antonio to upstate SC. The difference in how concerned I was about charging this time compared with the first trip was enormous simply due to improved charging infrastructure, and it's continuing to improve.

 

[Sportstick]

The EX90 has been an absolute Trainwreck of a vehicle. I expect the EX 60 to be similar.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/...Poke: Did Volvo Finally Fix Its Infotainment?

 

[Budman]

Agree. Super long range just isn’t as important as it used to be. The anxiety associated with range/charging infrastructure isn’t quite so prevalent anymore.

Well.........

That depends on where you live and or play.....

 

[DuoRivian]

I agree. I don’t need much range as I would manage recharging an EV much the same as my phone and watch, except I wouldn’t need to plug in to my garage wall charger nightly. For anything more than a couple of hours’ distance, we fly, so no long range ever needed. 200 miles would be fine if there were offsetting benefits such as the safety of LFP.

Not everyone flies if they have more than two hours to go. When I take my daughter to college 450 miles and 7 hours away then having decent range is important. Remember 300 mile range is down to the low 200s as you would fast charge to 80% from ideally 10% so the retailer usable range is 70% of what is quoted (before weather, towing etc). This is where speed of charging comes in. I don’t do may road trips so I am not too concerned but I am not blinkered to think it doesn’t matter to a reasonable number of people.

 

[Sportstick]

Not everyone flies if they have more than two hours to go. When I take my daughter to college 450 miles and 7 hours away then having decent range is important. Remember 300 mile range is down to the low 200s as you would fast charge to 80% from ideally 10% so the retailer usable range is 70% of what is quoted (before weather, towing etc). This is where speed of charging comes in. I don’t do may road trips so I am not too concerned but I am not blinkered to think it doesn’t matter to a reasonable number of people.

I understand and get the variation in demand. I guess the point I did not make well is having the plan used by some others (Mach E, for example) of a standard battery, smaller, lighter, potentially safer due to chemistry, while also providing a friendlier entry price point while the long range battery option is also offered. Only having one battery with its compromises in the never-ending race to the top to advertise range misses the mark for other potential buyers.

 

[GreggVA]

My range anxiety is more related to my bladder than the battery size

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