BFG Trail Terrains coming in 116XL

[mikehmb]

https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/tires/trail-terrain-t-a?tyreSize=20#

Looks like the 116XL is new, and while it's not showing up in my area, must be s00n.

Interesting option for those looking for a less aggressive AT that's pretty good in snow.

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[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

275/60 though. Not 65.

 

[ksurfier]

https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/tires/trail-terrain-t-a?tyreSize=20#

Looks like the 116XL is new, and while it's not showing up in my area, must be s00n.

Interesting option for those looking for a less aggressive AT that's pretty good in snow.

I would definitely avoid these, but you never know…

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/chartDisplay.jsp?ttid=309

 

[markp]

It's the top in snow performance for a non-winter tire in Tyre Reviews testing. Depending on priorities it could be worth exploring further: https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2023-Best-All-Terrain-Tyres-In-Snow.htm

 

[ksurfier]

From their website:

“1 out of 5 stars.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO AVOID THE TRAIL-TERRAIN T/A
Nomadic

a month ago
Relatively quiet tires, and overall they do look great. Unfortunately the performance (specifically wet-weather and snow) is very sub-par. I’ve never had to contend with the issue of rear tire slippage from a stop on wet roads until I had Trail Terrains. I have voiced my concerns to both Discount Tire from where these were purchased, and to BFGoodrich. Big shout-out to Discount Tire in Holland, Michigan! Customer service is top-tier! And there willingness to resolve the issues: from one tire having balancing issues, another tire replaced due to defect, to even offering to swap out the tires for a different brand and providing partial credit, even though BFG was being just as difficult with them after BFG directed me to return to Discount Tire to have the tires inspected. Records of timely rotations and balance didn’t even help. After approximately 50,000 miles on these tires (about 18,000 on one of them), I will be looking to have new tires installed, and it definitely will not be these Trail-Terrains”

based on this review alone it seems like this is not a suitable tire for a Rivian, there are other reviews that suggest great difficulty in balancing.

 

[mikehmb]

From their website:

“1 out of 5 stars.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO AVOID THE TRAIL-TERRAIN T/A
Nomadic

a month ago
Relatively quiet tires, and overall they do look great. Unfortunately the performance (specifically wet-weather and snow) is very sub-par. I’ve never had to contend with the issue of rear tire slippage from a stop on wet roads until I had Trail Terrains. I have voiced my concerns to both Discount Tire from where these were purchased, and to BFGoodrich. Big shout-out to Discount Tire in Holland, Michigan! Customer service is top-tier! And there willingness to resolve the issues: from one tire having balancing issues, another tire replaced due to defect, to even offering to swap out the tires for a different brand and providing partial credit, even though BFG was being just as difficult with them after BFG directed me to return to Discount Tire to have the tires inspected. Records of timely rotations and balance didn’t even help. After approximately 50,000 miles on these tires (about 18,000 on one of them), I will be looking to have new tires installed, and it definitely will not be these Trail-Terrains”

based on this review alone it seems like this is not a suitable tire for a Rivian, there are other reviews that suggest great difficulty in balancing.

While I appreciate a good review like anyone, they MUST be taken with several large piles of salt.

I mean take one look here on the Forums and no one in their right mind would buy a Rivian ...

 

[ksurfier]

While I appreciate a good review like anyone, they MUST be taken with several large piles of salt.

I mean take one look here on the Forums and no one in their right mind would buy a Rivian ...

ok…

 

[markp]

I live in San Diego so I have no use for wet braking unless I’m exiting a car wash. ?

 

[Milk]

From their website:

“1 out of 5 stars.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO AVOID THE TRAIL-TERRAIN T/A
Nomadic

a month ago
Relatively quiet tires, and overall they do look great. Unfortunately the performance (specifically wet-weather and snow) is very sub-par. I’ve never had to contend with the issue of rear tire slippage from a stop on wet roads until I had Trail Terrains. I have voiced my concerns to both Discount Tire from where these were purchased, and to BFGoodrich. Big shout-out to Discount Tire in Holland, Michigan! Customer service is top-tier! And there willingness to resolve the issues: from one tire having balancing issues, another tire replaced due to defect, to even offering to swap out the tires for a different brand and providing partial credit, even though BFG was being just as difficult with them after BFG directed me to return to Discount Tire to have the tires inspected. Records of timely rotations and balance didn’t even help. After approximately 50,000 miles on these tires (about 18,000 on one of them), I will be looking to have new tires installed, and it definitely will not be these Trail-Terrains”

based on this review alone it seems like this is not a suitable tire for a Rivian, there are other reviews that suggest great difficulty in balancing.

It's important to keep things in context. Trail Terrain is designed for light duty trucks. The review fails to mention on which vehicle they had them mounted. They've been pretty awesome so far on our Tacoma. Granted it's early but we've had them on snow and ice and they did awesome. IF they ensure the design is suitable for Rivian (not exactly a light duty vehicle) I think they could be a good option. The stock all season Pirelli Scorpion that was coming on adventure trims in Gen 1 was the loudest tire I've ever heard. I thought something was broke when the service center gave me a gen 1 loaner with those on them.

As with most things, it's about compromises and priorities.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

It's important to keep things in context. Trail Terrain is designed for light duty trucks. The review fails to mention on which vehicle they had them mounted. They've been pretty awesome so far on our Tacoma. Granted it's early but we've had them on snow and ice and they did awesome. IF they ensure the design is suitable for Rivian (not exactly a light duty vehicle) I think they could be a good option. The stock all season Pirelli Scorpion that was coming on adventure trims in Gen 1 was the loudest tire I've ever heard. I thought something was broke when the service center gave me a gen 1 loaner with those on them.

As with most things, it's about compromises and priorities.

Lots of people are running LT tires with their R1s. What people need to pay attention to is the load rating (as well as the speed index, though most options are over our software limited 110 mph cap). And if they want efficiency also, they need to pay attention to weight of each LT tire option they are considering (compared to weight of their stock tire).

And while it's mostly dry in SoCal, it isn't 100% dry. When it does rain, the roads were never ever designed or built with drainage in mind. No matter how many "storm of the century!" we've had, they still build and rebuild them the same way. Keep that in mind if knowingly choosing tires with poor wet performance.

 

[Forager]

https://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/auto/tires/trail-terrain-t-a?tyreSize=20#

Looks like the 116XL is new, and while it's not showing up in my area, must be s00n.

Interesting option for those looking for a less aggressive AT that's pretty good in snow.

The 116XL version of the 275/60R20 is not 3PMSF rated. The 115T version is, however. The 116XL is an OEM tire, so BFG does not have any plans to 3PMSF rate this tire.

 

[goldburger]

I liked these in my 2003 Tacoma and drove through some major LA storms with little issue braking and hydroplaning whereas the Nitto’s on my R1T are wild in a little rain. I believe @ironpig rocked Trail Terrains on some of his old yotas’s as well.

 

[schlosrat]

Has anyone gone ahead and gotten these on their R1? If you have, I'd love to hear what you think of them in terms of handling, efficiency, treadwear, etc.

I've narrowed my search down to either the 275/60R20 BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain T/A or the Goodyear Wrangler Territory AT in the same size. In the BFG Trail-Terrains, I'm considering both the 115 (with 3PMSF rating) and the 116 XL (with just M&S), but in the GoodyearI, I'm really only considering the Rivan-specific 116H XL variant.

I'd really like to stick with 116 XL for load rating, but in all honesty, I've never come close to carying a max load and don't think I'd mind all that much if I needed to consider my max load as being derated due to having 115 SL tires. That said, I'd also really like to have the 3PMSF designation. It's possible, I suppose, that BFG hasn't gotten the 116H XL version certified for 3PMSF just because it's an OEM tire or something like that, but it's also possible that their 116H XL version has a different tread compound or other design features that make it less likely (or unable) to get that rating.

Does anyone have the BFG Trail-Terrains in 116H XL on their R1? How have they handled the snow?

Rivian Tracker's website suggests the BFG may have similar or even better efficiency than the Goodyears, and certainly, their treadwear warranty is much better. Also, for all the great things people are saying about the Goodyears, treadwear isn't their strong point, and I suspect they'd only give about 25K - 30K miles before being worn out.

Thoughts?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Has anyone gone ahead and gotten these on their R1? If you have, I'd love to hear what you think of them in terms of handling, efficiency, treadwear, etc.

I've narrowed my search down to either the 275/60R20 BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain T/A or the Goodyear Wrangler Territory AT in the same size. In the BFG Trail-Terrains, I'm considering both the 115 (with 3PMSF rating) and the 116 XL (with just M&S), but in the GoodyearI, I'm really only considering the Rivan-specific 116H XL variant.

I'd really like to stick with 116 XL for load rating, but in all honesty, I've never come close to carying a max load and don't think I'd mind all that much if I needed to consider my max load as being derated due to having 115 SL tires. That said, I'd also really like to have the 3PMSF designation. It's possible, I suppose, that BFG hasn't gotten the 116H XL version certified for 3PMSF just because it's an OEM tire or something like that, but it's also possible that their 116H XL version has a different tread compound or other design features that make it less likely (or unable) to get that rating.

Does anyone have the BFG Trail-Terrains in 116H XL on their R1? How have they handled the snow?

Rivian Tracker's website suggests the BFG may have similar or even better efficiency than the Goodyears, and certainly, their treadwear warranty is much better. Also, for all the great things people are saying about the Goodyears, treadwear isn't their strong point, and I suspect they'd only give about 25K - 30K miles before being worn out.

Thoughts?

Hm... ksurfier pulled up multiple tests showing poor wet performance? Plus, The Goodyear is a known tire and developed specifically for the R1? and vehicle software even has a specific profile for it to ensure accurate instrument readings and estimation? Riviantrackr's guide is just a general guide, with speculation based on info published by each tire maker, not based on actual testing. But if you want to ignore all that, you could be the one to turn the unknowns into knowns. Some tire installers will not install tires with 115 load rating, because the factory offerings are 116.

 

[schlosrat]

Hm... ksurfier pulled up multiple tests showing poor wet performance? Plus, The Goodyear is a known tire and developed specifically for the R1? and vehicle software even has a specific profile for it to ensure accurate instrument readings and estimation? Riviantrackr's guide is just a general guide, with speculation based on info published by each tire maker, not based on actual testing. But if you want to ignore all that, you could be the one to turn the unknowns into knowns.

I have read this thread and am aware of ksurfier's posts. When I searched online, I was unable to find many corroborating claims of poor wet traction, and instead found mostly the opposite. For example, Tire Rack shows it is highly rated and specifically having excellent (8.6) wet traction. Reddit has a lot of anecdotal reports of good/excellent performance, too. I did see this thread on Mastercraft that reported poor wet performance. There is also this review on YouTube (see around 2:00 mark) where they specifically praise the wet traction and stopping, although that's with a much lighter Subaru. It's from an Oregon driver, though, so the conditions are perfectly relevant to the PNW where I live.

What I'd love to see is some real-world feedback from any R1 owners that might have tried them. How well do they work on a vehicle like ours?

Yes, the Goodyears are known and have some really good qualities, but treadwear is not a strong point at all, so I hesitate to get them. I think they look great, and I love everything else I've read about them, but I don't look forward to seeing them wear out quickly. I may yet go with them, depending on what I learn about the BFGs, but if I do, it will be with the expectation that they're just not gonna last.

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