Are you still in love with your LFP battery?

[mkg3]

..zero-cost upgrades and additional features that the R1 Gen1 vehicles have gotten?

Added
Garage door opener
360° overhead view
Blind spot camera view
Kneel mode when parked
Instrumentation screen
Adjustable interior ambient lighting
Consumer ability to change tire and wheel settings
Memory settings for vent positions
Ability of Highway Assist to execute an automatic lane change

Improved
Ride quality
Navigation (MapBox to Google Maps)
App control over vehicle
Charge scheduling of vehicle

The legacy manufacturers of ICEVs don’t typically increase capability of sold vehicles to this extent.

@SoCal Rob I don't know why you are defending thing that should have been there to begin with, and standard things on other vehicles at much lower price points than Rivian as exemplar action by them.

Garage door opener - standard on most vehicles for a long time (Homelink)
360° overhead view - standard on many vehicles sold today
Blind spot camera view - standard on many vehicles sold today
Kneel mode when parked - ok unique to Rivian
Instrumentation screen - many vehicles, especially EVs have different drive mode with different driver screen choices
Adjustable interior ambient lighting - most new vehicles have this at Rivian's price points
Consumer ability to change tire and wheel settings - Tesla has had this for years
Memory settings for vent positions - Tesla has had this for years
Ability of Highway Assist to execute an automatic lane change - Do you really want to compare Rivians ADAS to all the. others that do much better??

Improved
Ride quality - they would not have had to if it wasn't so poor initially
Navigation (MapBox to Google Maps) - Apple CarPlay Nav is better and so is AA
App control over vehicle - me too by Rivian.
Charge scheduling of vehicle - All EVs have this.

Many of the things Rivian has done is to bring the vehicle up to the standards that most vehicles already have without doing any updates/upgrades.

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[C12farmer]

Oh I’ve charged from 10% and 15% with the same result. This was with both at a Tesla v4 and also a v3 supercharger. The only thing I can think of is that it was 0F outside.

maybe I need to get a SC appointment

Depending on how long your preconditioned, the 0F outside temperature was probably the reason. If any part of the battery is not at optimal temperature, the BMS will not allow 500A max charging current. Worst things for any battery is high current charging at too low temperature.

 

[hmw]

Depending on how long your preconditioned,

One of the times was a 1.5 hr trip done at 75 mph with the destination set etc. Another was a good 30 mins of pre-conditioning plus another 20-25 min actual trip time. The temps should warm up soon, I guess I will know in a month or two if there's something wrong with the pack/car

 

[Kaiju]

I'm afraid no matter how hard you may want to believe, vulnerability to the slow march of technology isn't some unique feature of EVs. Basically every ICE car built since the 90s has some sort of tech stack and they too get progressively obsolete. There have always been features like CD changers becoming multi-CD changers becoming inputs for MP3 players becoming bluetooth for ipods and eventually phones. Cruise control becoming adaptive cruise and then blind spot monitoring and on-board navigation and emergency braking.

Nothing ever stopped those vehicles from doing their job long after the ever-growing list of standard features included things they weren't built with. The thing is that EV marketing has brought tech enthusiasts over who place much more value on keeping up with it, as opposed to simply recognizing that people who buy used cars still see the same progressive improvement of features over the thing they had last. That's also how it is with computers for more than half the world who can't afford the newest gen stuff when it's released.

Yeah, the tech enthusiasts will move on when their EV feels like the last-gen iphone. It's not much different than the people who trade in when there's a new body style that makes their ride not the new hotness any more. The difference in perspectives here is that most people who own cars don't care about that and there's nothing specific about the power train that makes something resist obsalence. Every 2026 model car has roughly the same tech dependency.

 

[Rivian Rider]

Effectively, my 2026 dual motor standard battery R1S has an optimistic range of 140 in cold weather. But as someone said above, it may be as low as 100 miles. Let me explain:

at 100% charge, in cold weather, the display shows a range of 234 miles. Then, Rivian says you shouldn't drive the bottom 20% of this battery -that's another 54 miles of range taken out. Then you need to have about 12-15% of reserve charge to get to any charging station -so there goes another 35-40 miles.

So you're left with 140 miles of drivable range. For my usage --moderate driving that includes occasional 100 mile trips, it's ironically an Anti-Adventure car. Because it forces me to plan my 2.5 hour (each way) trips around changing stations --rather than around adventure! This is especially annoying when I approach my dense urban destination, where a station may be half an hour deep into a neighborhood with 40 stop signs and lights along the way.

Rivian says that it's literature makes it clear that the range is variable depending on the driver but nowhere do they tell you or is it written that that variable can be as far off as 50%.

These results are far far off the sales pitch I got. The sales person knew that I would be driving the car in the northeast environment. They also knew that you can't drive this battery under 20%. But did not mention any of it.

 

[bfilippo]

I have posted about this as well, it’s definitely an issue they need to address.

 

[Rivian Rider]

I have posted about this as well, it’s definitely an issue they need to address.

Yes. That would be great.

 

[hmw]

Rivian says that it's literature makes it clear that the range is variable depending on the driver but nowhere do they tell you or is it written that that variable can be as far off as 50%.

These results are far far off the sales pitch I got. The sales person knew that I would be driving the car in the northeast environment. They also knew that you can't drive this battery under 20%. But did not mention any of it.

^^^^^
This.

100x This.

I’m in the same boat. The one longish trip I took shook my confidence in the range - enough that I am now worried about traveling to upstate NY from NJ. It’s a 200 mi trip one way and there’s a RAN charger 50 mi from my place then nothing. I’d have to go out of my way to charge at a Tesla supercharger but I just can’t be confident and comfortable the car would do 150 mi if the weather was not above 75f.

This is NOT what was advertised or what’s in the literature. Folks say oh all EVs have range issues. But what other EV shows the battery dropping from 92 kWh to 57 kWh when it’s cold ? And on a supposed rugged off road capable EV that is always shown in snow and ice in all the advertisements? C’mon Rivian you can surely do better and take care of your loyal customers ?

 

[NY_Rob]

C’mon Rivian you can surely do better and take care of your loyal customers ?

What would you like them to do? Are you looking for a vehicle buyback?

 

[bfilippo]

^^^^^
This.

100x This.

I’m in the same boat. The one longish trip I took shook my confidence in the range - enough that I am now worried about traveling to upstate NY from NJ. It’s a 200 mi trip one way and there’s a RAN charger 50 mi from my place then nothing. I’d have to go out of my way to charge at a Tesla supercharger but I just can’t be confident and comfortable the car would do 150 mi if the weather was not above 75f.

This is NOT what was advertised or what’s in the literature. Folks say oh all EVs have range issues. But what other EV shows the battery dropping from 92 kWh to 57 kWh when it’s cold ? And on a supposed rugged off road capable EV that is always shown in snow and ice in all the advertisements? C’mon Rivian you can surely do better and take care of your loyal customers ?

To be clear, it’s not 75F. My Dual Standard got 2.45 between April-November with an average temperature of maybe 60. Unfortunately, under freezing temps are a real struggle for these batteries, you’ll recall Tesla had a similar issue when they rolled out their first LFP vehicles.

I will also say that my Model Y LR struggled mightily in sub 20F temps, when we went from Maine to Indy last winter. We had to charge like 7-8x each day.

Clearly, this is a problem, and Rivian needs to improve calibration, market more thoughtfully, and even perhaps consider an alternative to this particular battery, BUT, it’s not entirely unique to them.

 

[hmw]

What would you like them to do? Are you looking for a vehicle buyback?

I don't know what would work for leased cars - actually was in the middle of buying out the lease when the whole range thing hit. Or they could offer the Dual Large for folks who are willing to pay the difference.

 

[hmw]

you’ll recall Tesla had a similar issue when they rolled out their first LFP vehicles.

I will also say that my Model Y LR struggled mightily in sub 20F temps, when we went from Maine to Indy last winter. We had to charge like 7-8x each day.

do you have any articles or links as to how Tesla fixed their LFP issues ? And were you tracking the mi / kWh for your MYLR ? Would be interesting to see the actual range for the Y LR in those temps (not just the drop in efficiency)

 

[bfilippo]

do you have any articles or links as to how Tesla fixed their LFP issues ? And were you tracking the mi / kWh for your MYLR ? Would be interesting to see the actual range for the Y LR in those temps (not just the drop in efficiency)

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2...-while-supercharging-using-innovative-feature

Unfortunately, I don’t have much data from my old Tesla as I only used TeslaFi briefly.

 

[RickRivian]

Ford has deployed a number of improvements to Sync4 since 2022, including wireless AA/CP (previously wired only), interface changes, and games.

Talking about Ford and software in the same sentence is an oxymoron. I have two Ford's with Sync4a, have 5 years Mach-E experience and 3 years Lightning. Ford is awful at software. My Lightning still doesn't have the ability to precondtion encounter to a fast charger (Mach-E does, and has had it), and neither vehicle can navigate to a Tesla SuperCharger (but we got access on Feb 29, 2024, 2 years ago). Many simply use GoogleMaps with Android Auto.

Ford announces a new feature, and then 1 year to 2 years later we get it. Latest BlueCruise is 1.5, neither vehicle will get it. Just got locking charge cord during fast charging so adapter doesn't get stolen.

Ford app regularly is broken by an update. Server issues at least monthly. App data for current charging session is often widely inaccurate, and charging history often misses a session. Trip planning in app was removed and never came back. Alerts from Android never work. I could go on.

If I buy an R1S, my expectation is software that blows away Ford. My concern is vehicle build, service (45 miles away), and whether Rivian survives.

 

[bfilippo]

Talking about Ford and software in the same sentence is an oxymoron. I have two Ford's with Sync4a, have 5 years Mach-E experience and 3 years Lightning. Ford is awful at software. My Lightning still doesn't have the ability to precondtion encounter to a fast charger (Mach-E does, and has had it), and neither vehicle can navigate to a Tesla SuperCharger (but we got access on Feb 29, 2024, 2 years ago). Many simply use GoogleMaps with Android Auto.

Ford announces a new feature, and then 1 year to 2 years later we get it. Latest BlueCruise is 1.5, neither vehicle will get it. Just got locking charge cord during fast charging so adapter doesn't get stolen.

Ford app regularly is broken by an update. Server issues at least monthly. App data for current charging session is often widely inaccurate, and charging history often misses a session. Trip planning in app was removed and never came back. Alerts from Android never work. I could go on.

If I buy an R1S, my expectation is software that blows away Ford. My concern is vehicle build, service (45 miles away), and whether Rivian survives.

Those concerns are pretty minimal. I have had mobile do every minor thing in my driveway and my closest SC is nearly 200 miles away.

Build quality on both our Gen1 LE and Gen2 Tri are great. Obviously YMMV, but there’s significant bias to those who complain on the internet. Those that are content are out being content.

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