Scout Launch Delayed to 2028: Report [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[savethemanual]

On the earnings call last week, one of the analyst asked specifically about the JV. RJ responded that things were going great, and they had recently wrapped up a productive meeting together. Ha!

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[savethemanual]

I always think of this video when EREVS come up.

 

[Throwdown]

I always think of this video when EREVS come up.

Exactly

 

[Time2Roll]

After the first three I swore off first generation EVs. Scout is intriguing however l would be looking for the second generation. Very happy with G2 Rivian.

Reminds me dad said it back in the 1970s to avoid the first of a new model year.

 

[iansriv]

That's a shame because it was a good looking car. Hope they actually end up launching because I support all US made brands.

 

[strykerwsu]

Both of the Scout vehicles are similar to the R1's with a cheaper price tag and potentially significantly better range (with the gas generator). That's not competition for those in the market for an R2 sized vehicle, but will certainly complete with R1.

They won’t be cheaper as shown. Im in the crowd IF they come to market be prepared for way more disappointment than Rivian ever promised vs final builds and ota updates.

 

[skyguyscott]

That's a shame because it was a good looking car. Hope they actually end up launching because I support all US made brands.

Yes, I will say, in praise of the Scout, I like its front end much better than the R1. There, that's the hill I'll die on.

 

[TexasBob]

Both of the Scout vehicles are similar to the R1's with a cheaper price tag and potentially significantly better range (with the gas generator). That's not competition for those in the market for an R2 sized vehicle, but will certainly complete with R1.

Traveler is much closer to the R2 than the R1 in both size and price. some initial confusion because people were quoting lengthy including the option rear mounted spare. Her are lengths without the spare.

Rivian R2 - 185.6 inches
Traveler - 190.8 inches
R1S - 200.8

 

[OpalescentIceytea]

I looked for real world examples of EREV trucks to compare against the Scout and the only notable example I could find is the BYD Shark. I was curious about how efficient a gas motor could be when it acts purely as a generator, this video covers a Shark taking a 1000 km trip across the Australian Outback



Looks like he's averaging about 19-20 MPG when using the engine to recharge the battery, averaging about 50 MPH. Once that battery is tapped and he has to recharge using the motor, he's refueling every 180 miles. He's not even towing.

With those kind of numbers, I wonder how much better towing will be with an EREV? Granted, you'll be able to refuel in minutes, but at that point why not just use a regular ICE truck?

 

[KRG]

I dont disagree, but if they aren't plugging then in they will be disappointed and go back to straight gas, I see it with Cayenne hybrid customers over and over again. Most dont plug them in and realize they paid more money for a car that is more complicated and performs worse.

Agree. I had a Cayenne S e-hybrid for a loaner for over a month like 5 years ago when a Porsche I had was in for a big engine issue. While it was a great car, I couldn’t understand why people would want one. When in EV mode, which is preferred around town, you’re getting crap power from a tiny electric motor. To get full power, you have to keep it in performance mode so the gas engine is always on along with the electric motor, which means it’s not very efficient and you need to get gas regularly. Dumb

I want all the power and all the efficiency and EVs are the only way. EREVs are more understandable since the powertrain is still all-electric.

This also make me think it’s time i get my deposit back from Scout since I don‘t think i’ll be waiting till 2028 for an EREV.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I think it might be a moral issue. They don’t want their software to promote something that pollutes the environment in that way. Otherwise they’d have EREVs themselves.

Eventually the battery chemistries will become better and cells/packs cheaper than burning gasoline. It’s just a matter of time. Time Rivian might not have. It’s a tough situation.

I don't know if it's a moral decision, but I do know it's good business. Rivian has zero interest in ICE; RJ views it as a dying platform and, as such, doesn't want to waste any money developing ICE software. The partnership is probably predicated on developing technology both companies can use. That way if Rivian is shouldering development costs, they are at least recovering by having access to the platform they created.

What is Rivian going to do with an ICE platform? They will be stuck with something essentially useless and a ton of sunk costs.

 

[Ingen]

Dang, I was hoping to replace my Rivian with a Scout, but yeah… not surprised by the delay.

For one, there’s basically zero real info on how this “harvester” is supposed to work (or a bunch of other stuff), so a delay makes sense. I’ve also heard from a somewhat insider that leadership kind of dreamed up the harvester idea during a public announcement, and even engineering didn’t know about it at first. Then suddenly everyone had to figure out how to build it.

Which explains the chaos on the Scout forums. Tons of questions and speculation, and still no actual answers from Scout after all this time.

If the delay is because of the harvester, that makes sense. If it’s for some other reason… I’ll keep my thoughts to myself.

If I remember correctly Scout’s CEO admitted they only thought of the EREV version shortly before the unveiling event. Which is a giant ask from engineering after they designed the EV version. I suspect it’s a total redesign to get a gas engine in there that can provide enough power. And as others have pointed out it’s probably going to have to be a really big engine, not the four cylinder they keep claiming will do the job.

I think they were also blindsided by how many people chose EREV over pure EV. I think it was 80/20 EREV over EV. So there in a pickle where the vast majority of their customers want something they more than likely can’t deliver… so pushing by a year is only the first of many tactics. They shouldn’t have promised to launch with EREV.

I put in a reservation for a pure EV Scout during the announcement event. I knew even when they said 2027, it’d realistically be 2028 or 2029. My warranty for my R1S expire at the end of 2028 and I figured I could trade to the Scout then, but I think probably in 2028 I’ll get the Rivian extended warranty (if they offer it in California by then), OR trade my R1S for an R2 or R3X OR a R1S Gen 3.

 

[Rade]

And from Trucked Up EV's; apparently Scout will launch as a PHEV. So much for the Rivian competition.

 

[Throwdown]

Agree. I had a Cayenne S e-hybrid for a loaner for over a month like 5 years ago when a Porsche I had was in for a big engine issue. While it was a great car, I couldn’t understand why people would want one. When in EV mode, which is preferred around town, you’re getting crap power from a tiny electric motor. To get full power, you have to keep it in performance mode so the gas engine is always on along with the electric motor, which means it’s not very efficient and you need to get gas regularly. Dumb

I want all the power and all the efficiency and EVs are the only way. EREVs are more understandable since the powertrain is still all-electric.

This also make me think it’s time i get my deposit back from Scout since I don‘t think i’ll be waiting till 2028 for an EREV.

For sure I work on them daily, they are the worst of both worlds. Now imagine how bad that cayenne you had as a loaner would drive if it wasnt plugged in and had to leech power from the engine to keep the HV battery from getting too low...
All the car mfgs keep saying people want hybrids-they dont, they just dont want to plug their cars in. The people who know EVs are better already have them. Th EREVs seem like a bridge to the people who are curious about EV's, but if they ever make them the buyers will find out they are a disaster when they dont have a full battery.

 

[Throwdown]

If I remember correctly Scout’s CEO admitted they only thought of the EREV version shortly before the unveiling event. Which is a giant ask from engineering after they designed the EV version. I suspect it’s a total redesign to get a gas engine in there that can provide enough power. And as others have pointed out it’s probably going to have to be a really big engine, not the four cylinder they keep claiming will do the job.

I think they were also blindsided by how many people chose EREV over pure EV. I think it was 80/20 EREV over EV. So there in a pickle where the vast majority of their customers want something they more than likely can’t deliver… so pushing by a year is only the first of many tactics. They shouldn’t have promised to launch with EREV.

I put in a reservation for a pure EV Scout during the announcement event. I knew even when they said 2027, it’d realistically be 2028 or 2029. My warranty for my R1S expire at the end of 2028 and I figured I could trade to the Scout then, but I think probably in 2028 I’ll get the Rivian extended warranty (if they offer it in California by then), OR trade my R1S for an R2 or R3X OR a R1S Gen 3.

I think you're right about Scout rethinking due to the reservation ratio, but they shouldn't as 80/20 is pretty much the ratio of gas to ev sales in the US, so if you give people an option of gas or pure electric thats exactly what you'd see.

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