Coastal Cloud Interior Not Available with R2 Launch Edition

[kurtlikevonnegut]

I'm not entitled, nor did I intend my comments to go in that direction.

• I clearly outlined in my original post that I'm perfectly willing to wait longer to get the white interior of the R2 so long as I can still get it with the exclusive Launch package benefits.
• I also clearly outlined how I'd even be willing to pay for the white interior as an extra add-on.

"I'm not entitled, I just expect Rivian to give me exactly what I want, when I want it"

Sorry but Rivian is well within their rights to limit options on the Launch Edition and it's smart for them to do so.

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[R2D2TOO]

I‘m also hopeful that an LE will be available with light interior. Making it an extra cost option is assumed. IOption is probably good for Rivian’s revenue, but it’s hard to understand. It’s just a different color.
But all automakers do this seemingly illogical stuff. I ordered a Corvette convertible, and 5 different top colors were no extra cost, but matching seatbelts were an extra cost item. Weird.

 

[Dirtman16]

I'm not entitled, nor did I intend my comments to go in that direction.

• I clearly outlined in my original post that I'm perfectly willing to wait longer to get the white interior of the R2 so long as I can still get it with the exclusive Launch package benefits.
• I also clearly outlined how I'd even be willing to pay for the white interior as an extra add-on.

But you mean to tell me that you bring us to the front of the line and then say we are only going to service half of you by only providing one option for the interior? Aren't current R1 owners who want a white interior (who spent 100K on your flagship car when you were struggling the most) just as important to service as the current R1 owners who want the black interior?

I said it before. All I'm suggesting is you still give us access to the exclusive launch benefits if you have to push us to the back of the LE line to produce the white interior at a later date.

I'm not sure why you're taking some heat. I completely agree with this. To exclude existing R1 customers with early pre-orders dates, just because they want a white interior, seems a bit arbitrary to me. As you suggest, let us configure the launch edition with the white interior, then just take delivery when they're ready to produce them.

 

[DuoRivian]

I'm not sure why you're taking some heat. I completely agree with this. To exclude existing R1 customers with early pre-orders dates, just because they want a white interior, seems a bit arbitrary to me. As you suggest, let us configure the launch edition with the white interior, then just take delivery when they're ready to produce them.

There are over 100,000 R1 owners and a lot will have reservations in the R2. Therefore some existing R1 owners will miss out on what they think is due to them - a first shot at the R2.

Also their criteria is not arbitrary but they want to minimize build variations since two color options would double the number (and black is more popular if you have to choose one).

 

[dleepnw]

It has been reported elsewhere that the launch model is not just silver and launch green. If it were that would severely limit the sales.

Yeah that makes no financial sense to limit the LE exterior to two colors. If they do that then they are crippling their own sales.

 

[dleepnw]

To me they call the interior Black Crater Signature but it seems to be more dark gray.

I have had a black interior in a Jeep and Tahoe that were actually black. The R2 looks in the videos to be like my R1S which seems to be dark gray to me as well.

Its dark grey. Rivian just calls it black. Black Mountain on the R1 is also dark grey.

 

[dleepnw]

What percentage of people get the white, seems like a (vocal) minority but a minority none the less. Your proposal makes sense and hopefully they will do it. iX3 and EX60 have three color choices so options for you.

Rivian has the data from the R1 and its likely a majority of owners have the black interior. It if were the other way around they probably would have made the white the default color. Simple math decision.

They should offer the ability to order a LE R2 with a white coastal interior and then just have the coastal customers wait a bit longer to get their cars delivered. This way they can run (produce) all the black interior cars first; then switch to the white interiors on the back end.

In particular for those customers that have already invested heavily in this company by currently owning an R1. Those R1 owners with R2 reservations should not get shafted out of being able to get a LE with a white interior and launch green combo. Or any other exterior/interior combination for that matter, like a Catalina Cove/White or a Borealis/White...as examples.

Worst case scenario...make the white interior a paid upgrade. But don't shut R1 owners with R2 reservations out of getting the launch benefits (free lifetime autonomy +, tow package, fob and launch green color) because of this interior color issue. I know for many not getting the white is a deal breaker.

Totally agree with you. If your place in line gets called and you want the white, then you should be able to put your order in and simply wait. If should not jeopardize your ability to get the Launch Edition. I'm sure Rivian will do the right thing.

 

[DuoRivian]

Rivian has the data from the R1 and its likely a majority of owners have the black interior. It if were the other way around they probably would have made the white the default color. Simple math decision.


Totally agree with you. If your place in line gets called and you want the white, then you should be able to put your order in and simply wait. If should not jeopardize your ability to get the Launch Edition. I'm sure Rivian will do the right thing.

All depends how many launch edition vehicles there will be and their desire to minimize SKUs.

 

[windblowlc]

Totally agree with you. If your place in line gets called and you want the white, then you should be able to put your order in and simply wait. If should not jeopardize your ability to get the Launch Edition. I'm sure Rivian will do the right thing.

That's not how it works. There's no right or wrong things. If there's no option provided then you get what's available and when's available. We'll just have to wait and see the what and when from Rivian.

 

[sparked]

Rivian has the data from the R1 and its likely a majority of owners have the black interior. It if were the other way around they probably would have made the white the default color. Simple math decision.

Ocean Coast is almost $4k extra. Since they aren't the same cost, there's no way to tell the popularity. That's a significant cost difference.

Even Coastal Cloud could be priced high enough that it might deter people from getting it. They might want Coastal Cloud, but end up getting the dark interior anyways due to cost.

 

[carsly]

There are over 100,000 R1 owners and a lot will have reservations in the R2. Therefore some existing R1 owners will miss out on what they think is due to them - a first shot at the R2.

Also their criteria is not arbitrary but they want to minimize build variations since two color options would double the number (and black is more popular if you have to choose one).

I'm sure quite a few R1 owners with reservations, myself included, have learned that in this case it's better to wait the extra few months until year-end to get the Gen 3 model that we know is coming anyway.

 

[carsly]

Ocean Coast is almost $4k extra. Since they aren't the same cost, there's no way to tell the popularity. That's a significant cost difference.

Even Coastal Cloud could be priced high enough that it might deter people from getting it. They might want Coastal Cloud, but end up getting the dark interior anyways due to cost.

Fair point, but if a lot of people lease and that $2,500 option (R2 has lower price points than R1 so options should be price proportionally) for the lighter interior has even a moderate impact on the residiual, call it $500 then it's $2,000 over 36 months or $55/mo. Significant, but not punitively priced.

 

[sparked]

Fair point, but if a lot of people lease and that $2,500 option (R2 has lower price points than R1 so options should be price proportionally) for the lighter interior has even a moderate impact on the residiual, call it $500 then it's $2,000 over 36 months or $55/mo. Significant, but not punitively priced.

Leasing is still not going to be more than 30% of customers. Average is closer to 20%. It might be a factor for that small group, but not for most people.

 

[DuoRivian]

I'm sure quite a few R1 owners with reservations, myself included, have learned that in this case it's better to wait the extra few months until year-end to get the Gen 3 model that we know is coming anyway.

Gen 3 for autonomy only. Everything else from hardware, UX, AI assistant etc stays the same. For ADAS it goes from hands free to potential at some undetermined point eyes free and full point to point as opposed to intersection to intersection. Just want to be clear and not overstate the changes between “Gen 2” and “Gen 3”.

 

[carsly]

Gen 3 for autonomy only. Everything else from hardware, UX, AI assistant etc stays the same. For ADAS it goes from hands free to potential at some undetermined point eyes free and full point to point as opposed to intersection to intersection. Just want to be clear and not overstate the changes between “Gen 2” and “Gen 3”.

Agreed, the truth is we don't know the full extent of what will change with Gen 3.

We know what the *planned* changes are with Gen 3, but we can't know the real changes until Gen 3 starts rolling off the assembly lines.

More likely than not Gen 3 will include the autonomy improvements + _____. We don't know, and Rivian may not yet know, how to fill in the rest of the sentence. For all we know there could be improved 4695 cells, and whatever they learned from issues/warranty claims on early production builds that necessitated parts/line changes as they install Gen 3 changes into the production lines. We also know Rivian excels at marketing, so they won't give us a long list of changes for Gen 3 now because they want/need people to buy the first batches of R2 vehicles.

My uninformed read? Gen 3 is the vehicle Rivian wanted to produce for R2. Gen 2 is what Rivian needed to produce to start moving metal and generating cash.

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