R2 V2L Charging Adapter "Field Outlet" trademarked by Rivian

[ACDC]

Rivian has filed for a trademark on the new Field Outlet for R2. This is the V2L adapter you can use to power various R2 accessories, things at home, things at camp, and more. - Source: @Hilbe

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[KBabione]

It would be nice if there were specs for this...I'm guessing, as someone wiser than me posted in another thread, a total of 20A (2400W at 120V) output total shared between the two outlets. I don't know if they've published the output of the inside inverter OR if you can use both the internal and external at the same time. Too many questions...Not enough answers!

 

[Just Passing By]

It would be nice if there were specs for this...I'm guessing, as someone wiser than me posted in another thread, a total of 20A (2400W at 120V) output total shared between the two outlets. I don't know if they've published the output of the inside inverter OR if you can use both the internal and external at the same time. Too many questions...Not enough answers!

Internal socket was marked with 1900W in Doug DuMuro video and also here in an OoS video from SXSW. A contributing reason for the 1900W rather than 2400W max rating may be also supporting the 12V 180W DC output alongside, assuming that isn't being taken from the car's 12V battery, but is instead derived from the V2x power management system and the main battery.

While on the subject, I do wonder if other significant 12V power draws in the car like Qi charging and USB-C outlets may also be pulling from a 12V source derived from the cars main battery; both to avoid overloading and/or having to over spec the 12V battery and perhaps also to provide a redundant 12V power supply that was mentioned regarding the door release mechanisms. All just my speculation though.

I agree it would be nice to know if we are just looking at 1900W max across all three AC sockets in aggregate, or some increased capability all the way up to 2x 2400W + 1900W in aggregate. A putative V2x 240V AC output of 11kW from the R2 would seem to theoretically support the latter output but there may be constraints depending on how the 120V AC output is derived from 240V.

 

[skyguyscott]

I agree so many questions remain, like, will it come in colors matching the exterior?

 

[mkhuffman]

And is it an inverter, or simply a connection to an internal inverter inside the R2? If it the former, it can probably be used on other BEVs like the R1. I suspect it is the latter.

 

[MoreTrout]

RJ has said the onboard inverter will be 10-11 kW. (1:12:18)

 

[supernu8]

I hope this is the beginning of true vehicle to load capability for rivian, using the vehicle's inverter to supply the load. If that's the case, this 'device' is just a pass through with a GFCI on it. If true next could be dongles for 240v outlets.

This thing has a 5-20r outlet which is 2400watt max, but continuous use @80% puts it at 1920watts.

 

[mkhuffman]

I hope this is the beginning of true vehicle to load capability for rivian, using the vehicle's inverter to supply the load. If that's the case, this 'device' is just a pass through with a GFCI on it. If true next could be dongles for 240v outlets.

This thing has a 5-20r outlet which is 2400watt max, but continuous use @80% puts it at 1920watts.

A 240V dongle using the internal inverter is highly unlikely to be split phase, though. It will be 240V without a neutral, similar to what a EVSE provides to the vehicle.

That limits what you can do with it, of course. You can't create two 120V phases from it, for example. So you can't plug it into your house and power both sides of the breaker box from one 240V connection.

 

[Dman250]

This thing has a 5-20r outlet which is 2400watt max, but continuous use @80% puts it at 1920watts.

It’s two 5-20 receptacles; ignoring any derating isn’t that 2x20 Amps or 2400W nominal?

 

[mkhuffman]

It’s two 5-20 receptacles; ignoring any derating isn’t that 2x20 Amps or 2400W nominal?

Does the 20 Amp 120V outlet in your house with two plugs have a 4800W rating?

You could be correct, but just because there are two plugs it does not mean it is 2 x 20 Amps. It could be 20 Amps total between both outlets.

 

[NeverFollow]

Does the 20 Amp 120V outlet in your house with two plugs have a 4800W rating?

You could be correct, but just because there are two plugs it does not mean it is 2 x 20 Amps. It could be 20 Amps total between both outlets.

From the NEC, you can have multiple small receptacles connected to the same line.
But the total power is limited by the ending circuit breaker and corresponding wires ampacity.

 

[Dman250]

From the NEC, you can have multiple small receptacles connected to the same line.
But the total power is limited by the ending circuit breaker and corresponding wires ampacity.

Yeah, I’m just surprised they used 5-20’s and not 5-15’s. Even if the upstream circuit can provide 20 Amps there’s not many loads that really need it. I can’t remember the last time I even saw something with a 5-20P plug.

 

[Thebandit]

Yeah, I’m just surprised they used 5-20’s and not 5-15’s. Even if the upstream circuit can provide 20 Amps there’s not many loads that really need it. I can’t remember the last time I even saw something with a 5-20P plug.

Some shop type tools (table saws and stuff) use a 5-20, so it's kinda cool that you could in theory power one from your car in the field.

 

[jono]

Think about it differently: 20A at 80% is close to 15A at 100% duty cycle -- plenty of 15A devices in the world are better or safer running at a higher continuous current.

What I'd like a roadmap on is V2L to home, specifically FranklinWH, which has a port for V2L (https://www.franklinwh.com/document/vehicle-to-load-franklinwh-white-paper). Does anyone know more about what NACS' export capabilities might be?

I'd be sad if my R1T battery could never be used as a backup, but maybe there's a way to do it without an onboard 240V inverter like the Lightning has.

 

[mkhuffman]

Think about it differently: 20A at 80% is close to 15A at 100% duty cycle -- plenty of 15A devices in the world are better or safer running at a higher continuous current.

What I'd like a roadmap on is V2L to home, specifically FranklinWH, which has a port for V2L (https://www.franklinwh.com/document/vehicle-to-load-franklinwh-white-paper). Does anyone know more about what NACS' export capabilities might be?

I'd be sad if my R1T battery could never be used as a backup, but maybe there's a way to do it without an onboard 240V inverter like the Lightning has.

This option isn't split phase, but on the surface it looks like it will work. Maybe you could give it a shot and let us know?

https://tlyard.com/products/10kw-v2...-multiple-output-options-nema-standard-tlyard

The Sigenergy solution definitely works as confirmed by another forum member.

https://www.sigenergy.com/us/products/dc-charger

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