As you might have guessed.... higher gas prices has increased interest in EVs [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[savethemanual]

It's really simple, the world needs to shift away from burning fossil fuels where possible (I have zero energy to argue the science with non believers). Light duty transportation is an easy one to transition over to

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[Dave Cundiff]

Ok….. But an EV that gets 3mi/kwhr adds less CO2 to the atmosphere than one that gets 2.2. So….I don’t get it.

Our R1's, particularly the Dual Max R1S, do work that smaller vehicles wouldn't.

It's human nature to criticize -- but I hope we won't "let the perfect be the enemy of the good" about vehicle size or anything else.

Thanks to all!

 

[VandalSibs]

Ok….. But an EV that gets 3mi/kwhr adds less CO2 to the atmosphere than one that gets 2.2. So….I don’t get it.

I was comparing which keeps more CO2 out of the atmosphere - a R1 (S or T), or an ICEV. Even one of the least efficient EVs is better for the climate than the most efficient ICEV.

 

[NY_Rob]

One thing for sure holding back EV adoption is very high electric utility rates and TOU schedules which punish customers who might need to charge during "peak" hours due to work schedules, or owning multiple EV's which need to charge. Not every utility offers EV rate plans and customers have to run A/C units when the sun is out which runs up their electric bill and are forced to do everything else at night.. laundry, EV charging, etc.. like vampires. To many, especially young families with kids and busy schedules it just becomes too inconvenient and or expensive to live like that so they stick with ICE vehicles especially since gasoline has been reasonably priced lately.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Our R1's, particularly the Dual Max R1S, do work that smaller vehicles wouldn't.

It's human nature to criticize -- but I hope we won't "let the perfect be the enemy of the good" about vehicle size or anything else.

Thanks to all!

Not sure who is criticizing. I’ve been in an EV for over 12 years. I think they have huge benefits. That said, a 7500lbs, 3 row EV can consistently get 2.7 mi/kwhr, so I hope to see R1 efficiency gains!

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

I was comparing which keeps more CO2 out of the atmosphere - a R1 (S or T), or an ICEV. Even one of the least efficient EVs is better for the climate than the most efficient ICEV.

Agree. I remember when I had a Passat TDI. 45 mpg. 750 miles per tank. “Clean diesel.” Until dieselgate. What a mess!

At least the R1 won’t turn out to actually be spewing NOx after 5 years lol

 

[Kaiju]

Don't knock people too hard for buying big EVs. Even if we discount the fact that high-margin luxury vehicles are the entry point for new/expensive tech and (unfortunately) shaking out teething problems in low volume, every EV displaces an ICE vehicle of the same class. Every hybrid displaces something less efficient. It's all movement in the right direction.

I don't realistically believe there were people jumping at R1s because they couldn't get a Bolt or a Leaf. If you're doing rough apples to apples comparisons with actual energy use, R1s get something like the equivalent of 75MPG because electric drive trains really are that much better. There isn't a vehicle of the same size that can touch that. The ability to use all sorts of zero-emission power generation is just a cherry on top.

However most consumers don't reaaaly care about that. I remember the last time gas was $5/gallon and the fire sales on huge pickups and SUVs. All of a sudden they couldn't be sold because somehow someone who could afford a $60-$90k truck couldn't handle the operating costs. I knew people who traded down to smaller vehicles for gas efficiency to save money despite the fact their payments doubled because they bought something newer. People will fork out for those EVs, especially used ones, just in the name of saving money on gas.

The thing is, it won't happen if people expect it to regress to the mean in 3 weeks. You'll catch people who are already in the market. Watch the sales of gas guzzlers over the next couple months.

 

[beatle]

It's really simple, the world needs to shift away from burning fossil fuels where possible (I have zero energy to argue the science with non believers). Light duty transportation is an easy one to transition over to

Not easy for everyone. There's no way I'd own an EV if I couldn't charge it at home. 40-50% of the US population can't feasibly charge at home.

 

[savethemanual]

Not easy for everyone. There's no way I'd own an EV if I couldn't charge it at home. 40-50% of the US population can't feasibly charge at home.

Where are you getting these statistics from? Please provide link.

Obviously there needs to be more incentive from Gov. for the transition to happen, and yes, not EVERYONE will be able to charge from where they live. But with more investments into less expensive L2 chargers at apartment complexes, parking garages and urban street parking (charges installed at street lights), many would be able to own an BEV.

 

[beatle]

Here's a good article about EV charging challenges:

https://www.ncsl.org/energy/how-sta...harging-deployment-to-efficiently-meet-demand

L2 charging being what it is, DCFC rates can also improve the owner experience. But this is a challenge of both the charging provider and also the battery/automaker. Less expensive EVs that a city dweller may have, such as a Leaf or Bolt, take half an hour to charge from 10-80%, longer in freezing cold. This is also assuming you have a good DCFC station nearby that's not perpetually clogged with people charging.

I made my original post because you said "Light duty transportation is an easy one to transition over to " and that is manifestly incorrect. It is definitely not easy for a large portion of the population.

 

[savethemanual]

I made my original post because you said "Light duty transportation is an easy one to transition over to " and that is manifestly incorrect. It is definitely not easy for a large portion of the population.

China is saying wait a minute...hold my beer!

ICE vehicles are going to be around for a very long time yet, the transition will take time for sure.

 

[beatle]

Yeah, but we're not talking about China.

 

[savethemanual]

Yeah, but we're not talking about China.

Ok, lets put this in context.

My original post that you commented on was about the need for a global transition to electrification where it can be done, light duty transportation is low hanging fruit (IMO). You said it's not easy for large portions of populations, yet China is the largest car market in the world and they have made HUGE gains in this transition, they are showing the world it can be done (yes there's a lot more work for them to get there). I have a global view about this topic, and have never said USA only. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[iansriv]

Saw this on cnn

Why $4 gas won’t spark an EV buying spree

 

[BigSkies]

Here's a good article about EV charging challenges:

https://www.ncsl.org/energy/how-sta...harging-deployment-to-efficiently-meet-demand

L2 charging being what it is, DCFC rates can also improve the owner experience. But this is a challenge of both the charging provider and also the battery/automaker. Less expensive EVs that a city dweller may have, such as a Leaf or Bolt, take half an hour to charge from 10-80%, longer in freezing cold. This is also assuming you have a good DCFC station nearby that's not perpetually clogged with people charging.

I made my original post because you said "Light duty transportation is an easy one to transition over to " and that is manifestly incorrect. It is definitely not easy for a large portion of the population.

You're right. Adding circuit breakers to rental properties is way too hard for modern society to manage. I don't think that problem will ever be solved.

It's not like housing stock didn't have expectations of running water, sewage air conditioning, gas or electric cooking, washing machines, coffee makers, and televisions back in 1926. Because expectations of housing amenities never changes, right?

I guess we'll just have to stick to technically simple things like stringing pipelines to Purdhoe Bay and drilling for oil 5 miles under the ocean floor.

/s

These are solvable problems that most countries in the world are figuring out. We can actually work on solving them, or we can keep making excuses. I suspect we'll keep making excuses.

If Ethiopia can figure out how to solve these problems, I'd like to think we can too.

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