In the world of Luce, The Rivian R3X could shine

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Right. So, exactly like I said, wheels (offset = "stance"), tires, calipers, dampers, and a driving mode.

My point is that they're RAD-tuning an R3 for sale to the public, not building a bespoke rally monster. They're starting with a mild-mannered inexpensive hatchback and then giving it a performance model. The same way Tesla has a Performance model of their inexpensive cars. It just seems like a lot of people are expecting a monster with R1 levels of performance. The R3X will be faster and more performance-oriented than the R3, but it's not going to be faster and more performance-oriented than the R1 for example. It's still based on the R3 platform.

It's a Golf R vs a GTI; an STi vs an Impreza. You're gonna get a better R3, but you're not gonna get a WRC car.

Rivian never announced plans to make a bespoke competition version of the R3X. They also never said "impossible". And outside of Extreme-E, which is a spec series (every team/competitor gets same car), there isn't one a race-prepped R3X could race in. A new WRC class or one-make series would have to be created, with or without FIA's involvement. What OP shared is his fan fantasy, which you seem to have mistaken for something else?

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[mkhuffman]

Agreed. Give me natural motor whine that sounds like straight cut gears any day

I just want to say that I have been participating in this forum since Rivian revealed the R1. In all that time you have been (and continue to be) a valuable contributor to the discussions here.

No matter what people think about the OP, I think they need to cut you some slack because of all you've contributed before. History matters. You didn't just pop up out of nowhere.

 

[srkz]

What OP shared is his fan fantasy, which you seem to have mistaken for something else?

No, I’m quite sure it is a fantasy! Which is why I commented that everyone expecting anything this extreme is living in a dream. There seem to be quite a few people expecting the R3X to be more than just a performance version of the smallest and cheapest Rivian (including OP) that’s all.

 

[kanundrum]

I just want to say that I have been participating in this forum since Rivian revealed the R1. In all that time you have been (and continue to be) a valuable contributor to the discussions here.

No matter what people think about the OP, I think they need to cut you some slack because of all you've contributed before. History matters. You didn't just pop up out of nowhere.

Appreciate it and I'm just dreaming of what a R3X could potentially be a d how awesome it could be when it comes around! I can't wait!

 

[Great Gatsby]

Right. So, exactly like I said, wheels (offset = "stance"), tires, calipers, dampers, and a driving mode.

My point is that they're RAD-tuning an R3 for sale to the public, not building a bespoke rally monster. They're starting with a mild-mannered inexpensive hatchback and then giving it a performance model. The same way Tesla has a Performance model of their inexpensive cars. It just seems like a lot of people are expecting a monster with R1 levels of performance. The R3X will be faster and more performance-oriented than the R3, but it's not going to be faster and more performance-oriented than the R1 for example. It's still based on the R3 platform.

It's a Golf R vs a GTI; an STi vs an Impreza. You're gonna get a better R3, but you're not gonna get a WRC car.

My guy, it is going to have 3 motors and likely be close to half the weight of an R1, which can do the 0-60 in 3s. It will likely have close to 800hp. The R3X might actually fly. This not Golf R vs GTI, this is if they found a way to throw a Lamborghini engine into a Golf. There is no equivalent in the ICE world.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

This not Golf R vs GTI, this is if they found a way to throw a Lamborghini engine into a Golf. There is no equivalent in the ICE world.

And adding less weight than weight of that Lambo V12—and fuel (oh boy you're gonna need that fuel)—in doing so.

 

[Great Gatsby]

Appreciate it and I'm just dreaming of what a R3X could potentially be a d how awesome it could be when it comes around! I can't wait!

I'd echo what mkhuffman said. I know my first response came off a bit harsh, but it was less at you and more at my overall frustration around the "enthusiast" car community. I'm all for dreaming up cool ideas of what cars and can and could be, ICE or EV. Appreciate the post and healthy discussion, unfortunately the rest of the internet is not this civilized.

 

[srkz]

My guy, it is going to have 3 motors and likely be close to half the weight of an R1, which can do the 0-60 in 3s. It will likely have close to 800hp. The R3X might actually fly. This not Golf R vs GTI, this is if they found a way to throw a Lamborghini engine into a Golf. There is no equivalent in the ICE world.

Your last sentence is honestly on point. There is no equivalent in the ICE world. There are a ton of equivalents in the EV world though, because torque is braindead-easy with electric motors. The list of EVs that can go 0-60 in 3-5 seconds is practically endless these days. The regular R3 dual motor will do it in <4.5 with 650 horsepower and if they let you buy a tri-motor without the X badge it'll do it in ~3.0 vs 2.9 or whatever. 0-60 doesn't really matter anymore as a bragging right now that it's so easy to accomplish; as a measure of performance it's a relic of the past alongside combustion engines.

I'm not trying to say that the R3X will suck or anything, I'm just saying the difference between an R3 and an R3X will not be as great as many people are imagining. It's not going to be a bespoke monster, it's going to be a regular R3 with the same sort of upgrades you find going from a Model 3 to a Model 3 Performance.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Your last sentence is honestly on point. There is no equivalent in the ICE world. There are a ton of equivalents in the EV world though, because torque is braindead-easy with electric motors. The list of EVs that can go 0-60 in 3-5 seconds is practically endless these days. The regular R3 dual motor will do it in <4.5 with 650 horsepower and if they let you buy a tri-motor without the X badge it'll do it in ~3.0 vs 2.9 or whatever. 0-60 doesn't really matter anymore as a bragging right now that it's so easy to accomplish; as a measure of performance it's a relic of the past alongside combustion engines.

I'm not trying to say that the R3X will suck or anything, I'm just saying the difference between an R3 and an R3X will not be as great as many people are imagining. It's not going to be a bespoke monster, it's going to be a regular R3 with the same sort of upgrades you find going from a Model 3 to a Model 3 Performance.

And that's enough performance for nearly all enthusiasts who can only afford to buy and keep 1 car, be stuck in traffic most of the time, driving themselves to the daily rat race. The same description for most enthusiast cars one could buy as new from the dealers today. 0-60 is the most usable attribute of any performance car. Unless you live in sparsely populated areas or close enough to a track that host open track days often. Like, how often do Porsche GT3 RS owners actually get to deploy and enjoy more than 1/10 of their machines anyway? Besides, just because they can afford to own one, doesn't mean they have the skills to drive one like Patrick Long. Let's be honest, ownership of performance cars isn't always about the machine capability. It's about, "oh yah, that somewhat exclusive machine is mine!"

 

[savethemanual]

Your last sentence is honestly on point. There is no equivalent in the ICE world. There are a ton of equivalents in the EV world though, because torque is braindead-easy with electric motors.

It's what makes Rivian so unique in both the ICE and BEV world with the R1S. The raw power of the Quad/Tri, can literally do the Rubicon trail stock and seats 7 in a very nice interior! There is no other stock vehicle on sale today that I can think of that matches this.

 

[srkz]

Let's be honest, ownership of performance cars isn't always about the machine capability. It's about, "oh yah, that somewhat exclusive machine is mine!"

I agree completely, but that’s kinda my point though - in the EV era having a fast 0-60 time is not exclusive at all anymore. Probably more than half of EVs on the road in the US right now can do the same or similar 0-60 time because it’s so easy to do insane torque with an electric motor.

I found in my own life that once I had ridden supersport bikes the idea of going “fast” in a straight line in a car lost all interest to me because it’s just nowhere close and I’ve been there and done faster, and I think it’s the same thing for peoples’ first EV. Once you’ve gone EV and you know how fast they are it’s no longer that halo dream anymore, now it’s just normal. That’s part of why (in my own probably incorrect opinion) autonomy and software has become such a fighting point for EV drivers, because it’s the frontier of development and the way that you flaunt your exclusivity now that the mechanicals are so simple and going fast in a straight line is table stakes and easy as pie.

 

[mkhuffman]

I am a big fan of pie.

 

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[daeHelkcunK]

I just ordered a Luce on the condition that they'll take my Aztec in on trade

 

[kanundrum]

I just ordered a Luce on the condition that they'll take my Aztec in on trade

Aztec is dope in comparison lol

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