Crossed 2000 miles and nearly 100 hours in the R2... all I can say is I am happy with my purchase

[CrazyOne]

R2 is 45k level vehicle , this is what rivian said , and r1 starts from ~80k , so almost twice

And rj in interview with motortrend confirms this

"The interior on the R2 is a much cheaper interior than what we have on R1. It’s less than half the cost, but it still feels really premium"

The only one people can buy today costs $60k - $64k. $45k one, if it happens, won't look like the one that's sold today. Perhaps he was referring to cost of interior itself? Idk, CEOs will say anything to sell cars.

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[rvnxyz001]

The only one people can buy today costs $60k - $64k. $45k one, if it happens, won't look like the one that's sold today. Perhaps he was referring to cost of interior itself? Idk, CEOs will say anything to sell cars.

Yeah, I mean, today's offering will be the same as a 45k in terms of interior. That's why it is a 45k car-level car, which is not a bad level

 

[emroch]

Yeah, I mean, today's offering will be the same as a 45k in terms of interior. That's why it is a 45k car-level car, which is not a bad level

The Standard trim will have the non-Signature version of the interior, which will be slightly different. I think there's less wood, different fabric, cheaper seats, etc.

if you compare the top-trim R1S to the top-trim R2, you get 122k vs 60k (no options added), so again about half.

I think what's interesting is comparing the R2 Performance with the R1S Premium (2027), which is a pretty similar config. 330-ish mile dual motor AWD, but two different sizes. I wonder if the $20k difference in these is justified by more than the extra size/seating capacity.

 

[a9967]

I'm driving an R1S gen 2 loaner for a bit while my R2 is in service for a couple paint defects.

I want my R2 back. I wouldn't trade it straight across for the R1. This thing is nowhere near as refined. I don't think the interior is significantly more upscale.

The R2 feels like a Rivian has learned a lot. I'll be curious to drive a '27 R1 someday to see if any of those lessons were applied.

 

[rvnxyz001]

any of those lessons were applied.

For example no paint defects ?

 

[a9967]

For example no paint defects ?

Now that's just crazy talk

 

[Jeremy3292]

I'm driving an R1S gen 2 loaner for a bit while my R2 is in service for a couple paint defects.

I want my R2 back. I wouldn't trade it straight across for the R1. This thing is nowhere near as refined. I don't think the interior is significantly more upscale.

The R2 feels like a Rivian has learned a lot. I'll be curious to drive a '27 R1 someday to see if any of those lessons were applied.

R1S becomes legit this time next year in 2027 hopefully (2028 model year). It should be a redesign year. 800v, better thermals all around, weight reductions, etc. It doesn't seem like a good deal compared to R2 today. It needs to be better in a lot of areas to really outshine R2. The bones are there, just need those high end refinements one would expect spending $85k-$100k+.

 

[starbux]

The R2 still feels like a Rivian inside. Seats are still comfortable and nearly it all reminds me of my first gen quad r1t with the basic dash... the tri max was a bit more "luxury" but at the end of the day I don't feel that big of difference between them.

Things I do miss though.

Suspension and maybe bigger frunk and that is about it.

 

[schwartz83]

For anyone with 2022/2023 R1, many are starting to worry about the maintenance/upkeep when the warranty is up…they can almost upgrade for free to the R2, for many that simply don’t need the size/capabilities it prob. makes a lot of sense…

That's where I'm coming from. Plus improved efficiency..most of our miles are of the road trip variety.

With trade in of my R1T my monthly payment will be a little lower.

 

[srkz]

I don't know, it felt like a very luxurious car when I saw the R1 interior right after the R2. Huge difference in all components. That's why I'm surprised how many people traded their R1 for an R2.

A lot of the people you're seeing trade from R1 to R2 are a mixture of brand enthusiast, people who make money on new vehicles through content creation, and people who have FOMO and value "new thing no one else has yet" very highly. Many of them will probably trade their R2 for an R3 as soon as those come out too.

The R2 does genuinely drive better than the R1S though, the whole suspension geometry on the R1S is... dog water imo. It's great on the T, not good at all on the S.

 

[rvnxyz001]

A lot of the people you're seeing trade from R1 to R2 are a mixture of brand enthusiast, people who make money on new vehicles through content creation, and people who have FOMO and value "new thing no one else has yet" very highly. Many of them will probably trade their R2 for an R3 as soon as those come out too.

The R2 does genuinely drive better than the R1S though, the whole suspension geometry on the R1S is... dog water imo. It's great on the T, not good at all on the S.

Yeah, FOMO is probably part of it, but I think financing explains a lot more.

Many people don't think "I bought a $90k car." They think "my payment is $1,200 a month." Then the R2 shows up, the payment drops, they get a new warranty and a brand-new car, and it feels like they saved money.

But the R1 already took the huge depreciation hit, plus interest, taxes and fees. Then you reset the clock with another new car. Do it again with the R3 and you're basically subscribing to permanent depreciation.

The R2 being smaller or driving better may be real benefits, but I suspect for plenty of owners the real attraction is much simpler: lower monthly payment, new car, new warranty.

 

[mkg3]

It seems to me that some folks are forgetting that R1 can have much longer range, and significantly heavier towing capabilities. Not just more space and the 3d row.

I realize if one does not tow and do not plan to use the vehicle for road trips, these extra capabilities are unnecessary.

Up until now, if you wanted a Rivian, R1 was the only option. Now with R2, people who bought R1, especially if leased and is coming to the end, its an easy transition to R2, if R1 unique ability is not important.

As a R1S owner, I have no need or interest in R2. Will replace the R1S with something else other than Rivian because there are too many attractive alternatives that I have not experienced yet.

 

[Redmond Chad]

There's enough variation and trade-offs between vehicles that there's always plenty of reasons to switch.

For example, I bought an R1S because I wanted an appropriate EV to tow our trailer with. The R1S was the best thing for me at the time...the R2 would have worked (and I would have preferred it), but it wasn't available in 2023.

Now the R2 is available, so I sold my R1S a couple of weeks ago and have an R2 on the way. I liked the R1S, but the R2 is more efficient, and is easier to park and wash. Those things have always been important to me (and are the only things I didn't like about the R1S). Luxury has never been an attraction for me. And while I don't like paying a lot for a car, I am fortunate enough to be able to afford it and I will pay more for something that suits my needs better.

I would have liked to go even smaller, and in once sense I could since we sold our trailer. However, we now have more small grandkids to haul around in cars seats. The R2 seems about as small as I can comfortably go for now.

When the R3 becomes available, I might trade down to that if the grandkids are able to switch to booster seats...but I will also look at what other manufacturers are offering then.

 

[Zathras]

I'm surprised how owners of luxury r1 easily switch to mainstream r2. Are those really similar in terms of interior materials and features? What makes r1* twice more expensive (excluding internals)?

I didn't drive any of them, just took a quick look at an R1 interior once. I haven't spent much time with it, but my first impression was that it felt way better than the R2.

For those of us that don't have "luxury" at the top of our list might have an R1 previously because R2 was not an option. Simple as that.

 

[NCBob]

I'm surprised how owners of luxury r1 easily switch to mainstream r2. Are those really similar in terms of interior materials and features? What makes r1* twice more expensive (excluding internals)?

I didn't drive any of them, just took a quick look at an R1 interior once. I haven't spent much time with it, but my first impression was that it felt way better than the R2.

I have a 2023 R1T Quad and I'm planning on trading it for an R2 when my number comes up. The R1 is a great vehicle. But it's also a great BIG vehicle. Most of my driving is urban and suburban, not highway and not trails. The R2 just looks like it will be a better fit for my needs.

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