2027 Rivian R2 EPA Certification w/ specs (range, battery capacity, charging rate, efficiency etc.)

[VandalSibs]

Thanks for sharing the images. I agree that the battery frame appears full and doesn't show the extra module space I've seen in the R1 large battery frame. If there's no space for more batteries, it would seem that only a higher kW/volume battery improvement could yield a max pack. You have successfully diminished my hopes for a future R2 max pack.

It is platform - maybe they will do a stretched version in the future (a possible R2T would be quite neat!), and thus stuff more batteries in there...

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[Manalishi]

As a R1S Gen 2 owner, I'm excited to see "Improved NVH" cited for the R2 heat pump!! The noise (especially outside the vehicle) of my vehicle's heat pump is one of the very few points of dissatisfaction I have.

 

[mkhuffman]

Technically yes, but sometimes people say wheel when they mean tire.

It is all very confusing.

I consider the wheel to be the entire assembly, tire + rim because then each term means something distinct.

"Tire" is clearly defined. "Rim" is also. It is only "wheel" that is not so clear, unless you consider it to be the entire assembly.

 

[mkhuffman]

@mkhuffman I tend to agree with you, but admit there will be a few with usage patterns who would benefit more from faster charging rates, like @VandalSibs. I'm one who places greater weight on capacity. I guess it comes down to the amount of home charging, the distance between DCFC stations, and the frequency of road trips that require many charging stops along the way. I usually just want to zip to the mountains (Bay Area to Tahoe/Sierras), not drive across 3-5 states on a really long haul. I'm usually doing 0-1 DCFC on the way, most often when camping/offroading deep and want a bigger buffer to run the electric kitchen for multiple days, with one 80-100% top-off in Sacramento.
If I lived in Montana or a region where DCFCs are far apart, I'd definitely choose range first; not getting towed is far more important than how long I need to wait at a DCFC station. I rather enjoy most of the forced charging breaks now to get out and stretch, pee, shop, eat, etc..

It is true that everyone has unique use cases.

However, I feel like even someone who relies 100% on DCFC will appreciate a big ass battery. It will mean more range is added in that 10-80% window. It will mean less forced charging stops. It will mean more driving flexibility in general, and more ability to go places where charging options are few.

The range on my Mach-e was a huge burden on me with the way I drive. It was a massive improvement when I traded it in for the R1T Tri-Max. I can now stop where I want to stop, instead of where I am forced to stop more often. A lot more often. It is game changing.

 

[TexasBob]

It is platform - maybe they will do a stretched version in the future (a possible R2T would be quite neat!), and thus stuff more batteries in there...

What about the 46-120s instead of the 46-95s (like BMW did)?

 

[River Ghost]

Do I understand that the R2 has a Conserve mode? Was the EPA testing done in All Purpose mode? I do not think Conserve mode would save much on the highway since it probably just disconnects the second motor at a lower speed than All Purpose.

The all season tires for the R2 are all the same outside diameter. So the 19, 20 and 21 inch just differ in how much metal and how much rubber. For a performance version you want a larger rim which is stiffer and less rubber which gives. This allows the increased torque of the performance version to actually make it to where the rubber meets the road. The standard version with 19 inch rims and more rubber will have more give and a more comfortable ride; it does not need a stiff wheel/tire.

 

[VandalSibs]

What about the 46-120s instead of the 46-95s (like BMW did)?

That would require loosing either ground clearance or raising the height of the floor. So, a compromise either way.

 

[River Ghost]

The designer for Rivian mentioned that if you just look at the height measured from the bottom of the car to the top the R2 is not as tall as the Model Y. So it looks taller due to more ground clearance (~3 inches) but the body is actually thinner. Basically they used the boxy shape to provide more cargo space without having to increase the height. So despite looking like a brick the height of the cross section is less. I do not know how the widths compare. So think thin brick versus egg.

 

[VSG]

However, I feel like even someone who relies 100% on DCFC will appreciate a big ass battery.

I mean, yes, obviously, but who is this mythical person? That is, who buys an EV when they know they don't have access to L2 charging, either at home or at work? We're talking about compounding errors here... I appreciate there there are some people whose situation has changed and now they don't have access to L2 anymore, but for the most part if you can't fuel your vehicle easily you made a bad decision and should probably sell it and take the loss. I would say the same to people who bought hydrogen-powered vehicles...

I don't see a lot of people arguing that EVs are the best choice for EVERYONE. I do however see a lot of people arguing specific exceptions - that if EVs are bad at certain things then NO ONE should buy an EV.

A lot of people live in apartments where they can't charge an EV. I don't blame them for not wanting an EV. But if they DO buy an EV then they know (or should know) what they're getting into. I applaud those who buy EVs anyway, in this situation, but the choice is theirs if they want to buck the trends and deal with the inevitable problems.

 

[TexasBob]

That would require loosing either ground clearance or raising the height of the floor. So, a compromise either way.

agree but 1/2 inch ground clearance and 1/2 inch interior space feels like a small give-back to get over 400 miles on the range sticker (at least for my money!).

 

[Budman]

I totally disagree.

I rarely DCFC. Most of my charging is L2, so I want to go as far as possible before I have to find a public charger.

I have had some absolutely horrible public charging experiences and a bigger battery means I do less public charging. Especially DCFC.

My goal is to drive everywhere without needing a single DCFC, relying 100% on home and destination charging. That will never happen with a small battery.

I keep hoping the Gen3 R1 has a 180 kWh super max battery option. I am going to buy it.

Once again I find myself in agreement with forum member mkhuffman.

Over the last 7 months and 10,000 miles less than 8% of my charging has come from DCFast. It just simply doesn’t exist in many of the places I travel to. Gimme the big battery and range. Charging speed is not high on my list of wants.

 

[mkhuffman]

I mean, yes, obviously, but who is this mythical person? That is, who buys an EV when they know they don't have access to L2 charging, either at home or at work? We're talking about compounding errors here... I appreciate there there are some people whose situation has changed and now they don't have access to L2 anymore, but for the most part if you can't fuel your vehicle easily you made a bad decision and should probably sell it and take the loss. I would say the same to people who bought hydrogen-powered vehicles...

I don't see a lot of people arguing that EVs are the best choice for EVERYONE. I do however see a lot of people arguing specific exceptions - that if EVs are bad at certain things then NO ONE should buy an EV.

A lot of people live in apartments where they can't charge an EV. I don't blame them for not wanting an EV. But if they DO buy an EV then they know (or should know) what they're getting into. I applaud those who buy EVs anyway, in this situation, but the choice is theirs if they want to buck the trends and deal with the inevitable problems.

I agree.

The apartment gnome/dweller use case gets more reasonable if you have a battery that only needs to be charged once a month. If I could not home charge, but could drive for a week before needing to DCFC, it would be totally livable for me.

I once had an Uber driver who was driving a Tesla Model 3 and he told me he does not have a EVSE at his home. He hits the Supercharger before he starts his shift and gets enough to make it through the day. He does that every day. I preached the benefits of home charging but he just shrugged it off. He said he might install one someday.

 

[iamnid]

It is all very confusing.

I consider the wheel to be the entire assembly, tire + rim because then each term means something distinct.

"Tire" is clearly defined. "Rim" is also. It is only "wheel" that is not so clear, unless you consider it to be the entire assembly.

You are correct "wheel" is the tire and rim together.

The differences in range between the two rim sizes (for the person who asked the question) is that the 21" rim comes with more efficient tires than the 20" rim tire. I doubt the rim itself does much to affect efficiency in this instance. You could likely get efficient tires for the 20" rim and match the efficiency of the larger 21" rim.

 

[emoore]

I totally disagree.

I rarely DCFC. Most of my charging is L2, so I want to go as far as possible before I have to find a public charger.

I have had some absolutely horrible public charging experiences and a bigger battery means I do less public charging. Especially DCFC.

My goal is to drive everywhere without needing a single DCFC, relying 100% on home and destination charging. That will never happen with a small battery.

I keep hoping the Gen3 R1 has a 180 kWh super max battery option. I am going to buy it.

How long ago were those bad charging experiences? DCFC has gotten significantly better in the past few years. Sure there are still so,e areas where it’s more difficult but those are decreasing by the day.

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

Technically yes, but sometimes people say wheel when they mean tire.

You would be correct. I am one of those people. But I'm not a car person. Just really love Rivian.

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