Anti-Theft device

[R1Thor]

It's not fear mongering. There is a reason than Pin-to-Drive exists; there is a need. Rivians are not inherently more secure than any other vehicle modern out there, there simply aren't as many of them on the road to steal. It's just a matter of time before it happens (if it hasn't already), and Pin-to-Drive is a relatively low-lift solution to a problem that does exist.

A vehicle, that by all accounts, is completely connected 100% of the time to the cloud, is trackable and monitored, and able to be stopped by Rivian, needs MORE security?

Yes, you're fear mongering.

As has been pointed out in this thread alone. Not only is it not verily easy to potentially hijack a Rivian without some sophisticated tools (how many criminals with EE/RF degrees do you know?), but even if it were, it's albeit useless as a market will not exist without so much risk that it's not worthwhile to thieves.

In the extreme EDGE cases that one of these vehicles is stolen (which will not be the 'norm') that's what insurance is for.

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[godfodder0901]

A vehicle, that by all accounts, is completely connected 100% of the time to the cloud, is trackable and monitored, and able to be stopped by Rivian, needs MORE security?

Yes, you're fear mongering.

As has been pointed out in this thread alone. Not only is it not verily easy to potentially hijack a Rivian without some sophisticated tools (how many criminals with EE/RF degrees do you know?), but even if it were, it's albeit useless as a market will not exist without so much risk that it's not worthwhile to thieves.

In the extreme EDGE cases that one of these vehicles is stolen (which will not be the 'norm') that's what insurance is for.

 

[lslick23]

If I recall Teslas were being stolen in Europe which led to the PTD?

 

[Soosh]

Rivians are pretty heavy in the software arena. I’m sure some criminal genius will find a way to hack it and clone a fob, but that usually requires a proximity link to a fob in use to clone. Since most of us use our phones, it is less likely a criminal would be able to get access to a fob. The phones use encryption and need to handshake with the car to access. OTA exploit of an incripted signal is far less likely than a fob sending a signal that could be captured and duplicated.

Did that sound smart? I hope so, because I really don’t know what the F I’m talking about. Now my car is going to get stolen…

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[Soosh]

D'oh, you're totally right!

I forgot all of those news articles that just came out about all of the stolen Rivians!

I think this is textbook fearmongering. Compared to every other vehicle on the road, these vehicles are, in totality, statistically insignificant in terms of risk from theft.

Now questions are fear mongering? The sky is not falling, just trying to be proactive brother.

 

[SteveInBend]

When I walk away from my R1T, I sometimes think "is this gonna be here when I get back?" I keep seeing how this car or that car (currently Camaros) are having their access means being cloned by criminals. Besides The Club is there an Anti-Theft device on the market that is being used by other Rivian owners?

Have you considered a Pit Bull or a Mastiff?

 

[electruck]

https://cybernews.com/news/hackers-...esla-by-exploiting-a-bluetooth-vulnerability/

 

[Glembi2]

Have you considered a Pit Bull or a Mastiff?

Ah, beat me to my response.

We just need Gary sitting up top.

Oh wait, back seat is better. He would probably snap the glass roof.

On the serious side of this topic, I have been thinking more about this issue in the past few months, especially because of DC’s spike in carjackings. I’m now guessing the truck and my other vehicles are more likely to be carjacked than someone trying to steal them while no one is looking.

 

[eskudo12791]

Because it's seriously overkill and completely unnecessary?

Pin to drive would be amazing for me. I have to leave my phone in a phone box everyday at work that does not lock. I enjoy to use phone as key but dont want to hassle with turning off bluetooth, leaving my phone in the truck then using the card key.

 

[Soosh]

Have you considered a Pit Bull or a Mastiff?

Not sure they'd get along with the 2 Shepherds

 

[jeeden]

Just here to add that the club isn't really a big deterrent either.

The club may be a hardened steel lock, but the steering wheel is must softer to cut through. In either case, a 20v cordless sawzall or angle grinder with carbide blades are through it in about 30 seconds.

Vehicles have pretty much entered the realm of the high end bicycle community, if someone really wants it they are going to get it. Just don't make it easy, leave it in unsecured areas, etc.

 

[Robin]

Rivians are pretty heavy in the software arena. I’m sure some criminal genius will find a way to hack it and clone a fob, but that usually requires a proximity link to a fob in use to clone. Since most of us use our phones, it is less likely a criminal would be able to get access to a fob. The phones use encryption and need to handshake with the car to access. OTA exploit of an incripted signal is far less likely than a fob sending a signal that could be captured and duplicated.

Did that sound smart? I hope so, because I really don’t know what the F I’m talking about. Now my car is going to get stolen…

 

[Robin]

is there an Anti-Theft device on the market that is being used by other Rivian owners? Yes, it's called Phone As A Key, and you have it.

As long as you are using your Phone As A Key (PAAK) there is nothing to worry about at all - until car thieves have handheld quantum computers, lol. Rivian is a member of the Connected Car Consortium. The tech is light years ahead of RF (Radio Frequency) Fobs. It uses private/public key encryption to communicate, conceptually similar to how secure web sites work. It prevents relay attacks by measuring the "time of flight" - how long it takes for the car and the phone to "handshake". You can read more about the details here if you like. SOmeone stealing your Rivian by hacking PAAK should be at the very bottom of your concerns, well below "What am I having for lunch today?".

"CCC Digital Key enables hands-free passive keyless entry at the same level of comfort and safety as classic hands-free passive entry and passive start, provided by a large number of vehicle models today. CCC Digital Key may be used to access a vehicle, start the engine, immobilize the vehicle, or authorize any other operation. No interaction with the mobile device is needed, for example activating an app. The smartphone can stay in the user’s pocket. To provide hands-free access, the mobile device and vehicle mutually authenticate, and the vehicle verifies that the mobile device’s CCC Digital Key authorizes the requested operation. UWB time-of-flight measurement prevents attackers from using relay attacks (based on signal amplification) to trick the vehicle into thinking that the mobile device is nearby when it is not – this protection is called ‘secure ranging’. Alternatively, CCC Digital Key may be used by simply placing a mobile device near the vehicle’s NFC reader. The limited operational range of NFC prevents attackers from fooling the car into thinking the device is closer than it is. Both the UWB – BLE combination and NFC utilize the authentication protocol’s privacy to ensure that anyone monitoring wireless communications cannot track the user or their mobile device."

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[Robin]

 

[Mousetrap]

Pretty sure a Trunk Monkey would settle this whole debate - it's the best anti theft around!

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