Are we losing Driver+ auto steer?

[David Cieslak]

Driver+ has included “lane change on command” functionally since I purchased the vehicle in March of 2025. That is what is now being taken away/transitioned into Autonomy+. So yes, I’m in fact, losing access to functionality that I’ve had access to since I purchased the vehicle.

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[godfodder0901]

Driver+ has included “lane change on command” functionally since I purchased the vehicle in March of 2025. That is what is now being taken away/transitioned into Autonomy+. So yes, I’m in fact, losing access to functionality that I’ve had access to since I purchased the vehicle.

No, it didn't.

 

[godfodder0901]

Umm…nope. I’ve had access to this feature via Driver+ for more than 9 months (included with the original purchase of the vehicle). Expiration of Autonomy+ is irrelevant.

No, you haven't. It was never part of Driver+.

 

[godfodder0901]

Incorrwct. Driver+ included this functionality and I’ve been using it for the last 9 months (before Autonomy+ was even announced).

This is false. Show me anywhere it said it was part of Driver+...

 

[David Cieslak]

Attaching the owners manual for the 2025 R1T Gen2. Lane Change on Command was included with the purchase of my vehicle.

 

[godfodder0901]

Attaching the owners manual for the 2025 R1T Gen2. Lane Change on Command was included with the purchase of my vehicle.

That only tells you how to use it, not that it's included or free. That manual was from May 2025 so I went to the wayback machine and found this:

 

[ElGuano]

I didn't pay enough attention to this feature set when I originally purchased my Gen2 (Nov 2024). I do remember that there were some features (TACC etc.) that were included, but it was always the case for Driver+ (long before Rivian ever mentioned anything called Autonomy), that some of the self-driving features were being offered on a trial basis and at some point would convert to paid.

 

[beatle]

The confusing part is their language about what "lane change assist" is. You're not "assisted" by the platform when changing lanes; you do it yourself. When you signal with D+, the system remains active for speed until you get into your new lane, and then autosteer resumes. They should instead call it "lane change - do not resist." Rivian doesn't even mention "lane change assist" or Driver+ anymore, but that feature was part of the D+ suite.

Lane change assist sounds more like what the Tesla autopilot system used to do. You initiated the lane change with the signal, and then the car steered into the lane for you. Rivian just calls this "lane change on command."

Different still is "auto lane change" where the system identifies a slow moving car in front of you and then attempts to overtake in a different lane, but Rivian doesn't do this at all.

Rivian should have at least maintained feature parity with D+ and offered lane change "do not resist" on G2 vehicles. This would have made things less confusing, especially if you're coming from a G1. If you want the truck to change lanes when you signal, then you'd pay for A+.

At least this is all better than Tesla's current offerings. They don't even center you in the lane anymore unless you pay $50/mo, AND they even break TACC if you change lanes! Since it regens aggressively when you disable TACC, you have to be ready to catch it. This is worse than a car with a vacuum driven cruise control module from decades ago.

 

[godfodder0901]

The confusing part is their language about what "lane change assist" is. You're not "assisted" by the platform when changing lanes; you do it yourself. When you signal with D+, the system remains active for speed until you get into your new lane, and then autosteer resumes. They should instead call it "lane change - do not resist." Rivian doesn't even mention "lane change assist" or Driver+ anymore, but that feature was part of the D+ suite.

Lane change assist sounds more like what the Tesla autopilot system used to do. You initiated the lane change with the signal, and then the car steered into the lane for you. Rivian just calls this "lane change on command."

Different still is "auto lane change" where the system identifies a slow moving car in front of you and then attempts to overtake in a different lane, but Rivian doesn't do this at all.

Rivian should have at least maintained feature parity with D+ and offered lane change "do not resist" on G2 vehicles. This would have made things less confusing, especially if you're coming from a G1. If you want the truck to change lanes when you signal, then you'd pay for A+.

At least this is all better than Tesla's current offerings. They don't even center you in the lane anymore unless you pay $50/mo, AND they even break TACC if you change lanes! Since it regens aggressively when you disable TACC, you have to be ready to catch it. This is worse than a car with a vacuum driven cruise control module from decades ago.

No doubt their wording and naming convention needs work. Lane Change Assist is akin to Parking Assist for Rivian, i.e. make beeping noises if something is in the way and some basic indication on the driver's diaplay. That's it.

 

[VandalSibs]

There's some confusion here, in that "Driver+" is the name for the suite of features in the Gen 1 R1T line. Your 2025 is Gen 2, so it never had "Driver+". Gen 2 the name was changed to "Rivian Autonomy Platform".

 

[TexasBob]

Just to clarify (because I thought I understood but now not so sure) the only things you are giving up by not subscribing are:

1. Automatic lane change when you activate turn signal will now be manual just like Gen 1
2. The hands free will now require hands on just like Gen 1

Otherwise it will still work everywhere with ACC and LKA and Highway Assist. (IOW it will do what any basic Corolla does for free.) Is that correct?

 

[godfodder0901]

Just to clarify (because I thought I understood but now not so sure) the only things you are giving up by not subscribing are:

1. Automatic lane change when you activate turn signal will now be manual just like Gen 1
2. The hands free will now require hands on just like Gen 1

Otherwise it will still work everywhere with ACC and LKA and Highway Assist. (IOW it will do what any basic Corolla does for free.) Is that correct?

Sounds right. Gen 2 without Autonomy+ = Gen 1.

 

[beatle]

LKA (and AEB) will not go away since they're tied to the safety rating of the vehicle. Technically they could enshittify cruise control like Tesla did, but I think they need to be profitable for a while first.

 

[dubaigary]

I think the ignoring stop signs and traffic lights is brilliant.
How many of the lawsuits against Tesla are based on "FSD failed to stop"?
If UHF doesn't ever stop, and the driver is always responsible for that, then there will be no (or at least fewer) lawsuits if something happens. Likewise, this means the driver really does have to be in control and paying attention. No false sense of safety means you're less likely to be doing something stupid behind the wheel.

So disagree. The other day, a school crossing guard, standing on the sidewalk at a corner, held up a handheld stop sign. My Tesla stopped. On a recent trip to Mexico, the Tesla stopped reliably at every “alto” sign. A few years ago, this actually was rocket science, but it’s not now. Much as I love my Rivian (and don’t even get me started on Elon), the hardest part of driving it these days is making sure I remember what it WON’T do!

 

[VSG]

No sure what you're disagreeing with. My statement was that comparing Rivian's implementation of Autonomy+ features to Tesla's is apples to oranges. Rivian doesn't have and has never claimed to have FSD capability like Tesla which *does* claim to be able to do everything for you. That's not an opinion, that's a fact, so really not subject to disagreement.

Rivian's UHF is just a slightly fancy cruise control. And just like all cruise controls, it doesn't stop for you at stop lights or stop signs. Totally expected. If you have expectations that it would stop for you in these situations, you got those expectations from somewhere else (Tesla?) not from Rivian.

Your school crossing example reinforces my point - when your Tesla stops for you in situations like this, that creates expectations that your Tesla will *always* stop when it needs to. Which leads to cases where people remove their attention from the road and fail to keep control of their Tesla because it has always stopped for them in situations like that. Like you said, "the hardest part of driving it these days is making sure I remember what it WON’T do" - but that doesn't help when you've developed the pattern of trusting that the (imperfect) vehicle will behave properly all the time.

And that's the basis of my above post. Rivian does not create these false expectations in the first place - it says we can do only these limited things, you're still going to have to do a lot of the driving yourself. If you sometimes forget you have to stop at stop signs, that's you being conditioned by false expectations learned from driving a Tesla that will come back to bite you no matter what other vehicle you drive - this isn't a "Rivian" thing.

Now if you want to discuss whether Rivian *should* implement higher levels of autonomy, well that's a future thing which they are working on. But I expect they will do that in a more considered and deliberate manner than Tesla, which I believe has been a bit reckless in its claims about capabilities it does NOT yet have (regardless of how good the capabilities it DOES have are).

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