CCS is Dead Man Walkin’

[SASSquatch]

Now you are commingling the European situation with the suggestion of North American “monopolies”. No “monopolies” are going to happen here, US network operators have already embraced the NACS connector with several deployment announcements made.

Your only suggestion seems to be mandating bad charging networks by government edict because you fear they can’t complete with good charging networks in an open market. How can that be good for anyone?

This comment is in response to someone challenging my assertion that NACS isn't even allowed in the EU as a standard because of legislation.

Who said anything about Monopolies?

I seem to be living rent free in your head, friend. Maybe it's time you chill some.

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[defcon888]

Yes. We needed another thread on the topic.

Can we talk about anything else, please?

I SO AGREE. I am so so so tired of this topic. It is nauseating on the FB groups. How hard is it to live with CCS and an adapter in the future? Boo fricking hoo that Rivian isn't on board with it. It isn't the death knell of Rivian. If at some time down the road, how hard is it to replace/add it to the vehicles? These NACS fanboys are irritating. I look at it like the Betamax vs. VHS war of the '70s & '80s. Betamax was a better-quality of picture format, but VHS was accepted by the people. CCS is VHS (even though it was more government mandate) and NACS is Betamax. CCS is worldwide while NACS is just North America (i.e. Tesla....and soon Ford, GM).

 

[Longreach]

I think we're conflating AC charging and DC charging.

DC Charging - It doesn't matter if it's three phase or not since the conversion to DC takes place before the charging cable and plug so the CCS and NACS are equivalent in terms of complexity and connectors. Only two connectors are required.

AC Charging - The CCS has the three wires required by three phase whereas the NACS only has two. However, I doubt that this makes a difference. I have charged my Tesla at lots of Level2 J1772 public chargers connected to a three phase grid. It charges at 208 volts and usually 30 amps. This is just one phase of the grid and it works fine. Usually multiple stations are connected to different phases so it evens out.
Having three phase inverters in the car is more expensive in Europe than the US which only has a single phase inverter. Three phase inverters in the car require more wiring and a more complicated inverter. For Level 2 charging I don't think it makes any difference. It might be a bit faster in some cases but for daily home overnight charging it doesn't matter.

You are right, 3 phase isn’t that important for AC charging. But it was required in Europe, which is why they had to go with the Mennekes based CCS-2 solution. The Tesla plug was never a contender. But necessary to explain to the anti-NACSers who think it was rejected for some other reason.

 

[Longreach]

Yes. We needed another thread on the topic.

Can we talk about anything else please?

You are right, time to move on. Every day brings new NACS announcements that clarify the future and render any further discussion moot. Hopefully this the last of it.

 

[jjswan33]

You are right, time to move on. Every day brings new NACS announcements that clarify the future and render any further discussion moot. Hopefully this the last of it.

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